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THE STATE OF INDIANA.

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VOLUME II.

H. FOWLER, OFFICIAL REPORTER TO THE CONVENTION.

A. H. BROWN, PRINTER TO THE CONVENTION.

INDIANAPOLIS, IND,

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Mr. DOBSON. Before we leave this place course take ninety out of the hundred and sixwe will have to designate the number of the dis- teen members to represent these counties. tricts, and we may as well do it now as at any That would leave an excess of twenty-six memother time. If the matter were left to the bers to be distributed among the largest counLegislature, we might insert these words, but ties. This arrangement would give two mem. at the first election under the new Constitution bers to every county having the number of they are to be elected as we district the State. 2500 free white male persons, over the age of I think, therefore, that we may as well leave twenty-one years, and would include one of the amendment as it is.

the counties which I represent (Allen) which M. HENDRICKS. Very well; I with has 3214 free white male citizens, as returned draw the amendment.

by the Auditor of State. But, sir, if the ConMr. BORDEN moved to amend the section vention is not prepared to go that far, let us by adding the following proviso:

provide that any county having one-half of the * Provided, That every organized county ratio, shall be entitled to send one member. shall be entitled to elect at least one member This would secure to all the counties numberof the House of Representatives."

ing over 2000 free wbite male persons, two In support of his amendment, Mr. B. ad. Representatives; and would allow to all the dressed the Convention as follows:

counties having one thousand such persons, one Mr. PRESIDENT: I have considered this ques. Representative. tion as being one of great importance, and as I Sir, I cannot but think that some concession have desired to submit my views upon the sub- should be made by the large counties to the ject to the Convention, although it is near the smaller counties in the northern part of the bour at which we usually adjourn, if no other State. gentleman desires to continue the debate, I The gentleman from Switzerland (Mr. Kelwill proceed to state those views as briefly as I so) has said that we must either take territory am able, consistently with the nature and or population as a basis of representation, and importance of the question. The report made I understood him to say that if we take one of by the Chairman of the Committee on the Leg- | these principles, we shall be necessarily comislative Department (Mr. Bright) proposes to pelled to abandon the other. Now, sir, with empower the General Assembly to reduce the all deference to that gentleman, I do not see House of Representatives to sixty members, that any such necessity follows at all. Allow and also that the Senate may be reduced to not me to ask him why we may not unite both of less than one-third of the number of the House. these principles? I am decidedly of opinion Now, sir, to this reduction of the House of that the Senate should be based upon the whole Representatives, I am utterly opposed; and so number of inhabitants; but I am for basing the far from desiting to see that body reduced be. House of Representatives on the whole numlow its present number of one hundred, I ber of free white male persons, over the agě would much rather see it increased to one hund- of twenty-one years; and then taking into red and fifteen or a hundred and twenty mem- view in the apportionment of the House of Repbers, and a provision inserted that would se- resentatives that each county, as a political orcare to each county in the State at least one ganization, is entitled to be represented, I Representative. On this question, I consider think the uniting of all these elements in the myself bonnd by instructions.

apportionment will, in my opinion, not only At the Convention at which I was placed in be productive of the most beneficial results, but Domination for a seat in this body, the follow- be entirely satisfactory to a great majority of ing, among other propositions, was laid down: the people of the State. If we look at the

* The division of the State into single dis- House of Representatives of the United States, triets for the election of Representatives; but we there see that each State has at least one each county to have at least onc member of Representative in Congress; and all men adthe House of Representatives.".

mit that it is a correct principle. It works well And, sir, I stand here to defend, to the ut. in the National Government, and I can see no most of my power, both of these principles. reason why the same principle should not opShould we. as proposed in the proposition. I erate equally we in a State Government. have just read, give to each organized county in Sir, it has been said in this debate that those the State one member of the House of Repre. of us who are disposed to stand by the small sentatives, we could then reduce the Senate to counties in this, the severest hour of their trial, thirty-four members, which would be a reduc. are disposed to introduce the odious principle tion in that body of sixteen members from the that property and not numbers shouid be repnumber of which it is at present constituted. resented in the popular branch of the Legisla. Add these sixteen to the present number of ture. Let me here say, sir, once for all, that the House of Representatives, and it would this charge is without the slightest foundation, make that House consist of a hundred and six and that nothing can be further from the truth teen members. There are now ninety or than such an imputation. No, sir; it is because ganized counties in the State, and it would of } we think that property should not have a pre

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