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Union, for the Adoption of a Measure making the Landlords of Cottages where the Rents are under £6 liable to the Poor Rates.-From Commissioners of Supply of the County of Nairn, complaining of the inefficiency of the Present State of the Parochial Registers.

SIR R. PEEL said, that he had made | PETITIONS PRESENTED. From Guardians of the Bradfield the Motion for adjournment in compliance with the wish of the noble Lord; and in assenting to this he had suggested to the noble Lord that this adjournment might be attended with some inconvenience as far as regarded private business: he therefore had asked the noble Lord, whether he would

HOUSE OF LORDS,

PUBLIC BILLS.-1a. Coroners (Ireland).
Thursday, July 2, 1846.

Reported. Judgment Creditors.

object to the House meeting for private MINUTES.]
business, on the understanding that no
public business snould be taken. Since
that he had received a note from the noble
Lord, in which the noble Lord stated that
he had no objection to private business
being proceeded with.

MR. LABOUCHERE thought that the adoption of the suggestion would be attended with inconvenience. It would hardly be possible to secure a full attendance for private business, and few would be present besides those in some way interested. The business, therefore, would not be conducted in a satisfactory manner. If this suggestion was adopted, he would recommend the Vice President of the Board of Trade to attend when the private business was being conducted, and use his influence and give his advice as to the proceedings.

SIR G. CLERK should feel it to be his duty to attend, but he trusted that he should have the assistance of the right hon. Gentleman and other Members opposite.

MR. GREENE suggested that no opposed question should be brought forward. This would get over the difficulty.

THE SEES OF ST. ASAPH AND BANGOR BILL-MINISTERIAL ARRANGEMENTS. The EARL of POWIS having given notice of his intention to move the second reading of these Bills to-morrow,

The MARQUESS of LANSDOWNE said: My Lords, before I came here this evening I was informed that a noble Lord opposite (the Earl of Powis) had given notice of his intention to bring forward a Motion for the second reading of a Bill having reference to the Welsh bishoprics. I rise for the purpose of suggesting to him the propriety of permitting some delay to take place before he carries that intention into effect. I am authorized by a noble Friend of mine— Lord John Russell-to state to your Lordships, that since your last meeting he has received Her Majesty's commands, and has accepted the commission, to construct a new Administration. I need not inform your Lordships that after that Administra

tion shall have been constructed-if it should be constructed-some little time

must necessarily elapse, connected with proceedings in the other House well known to your Lordships, before those whom Her The CHANCELLOR OF THE EXCHE- Majesty may be pleased to select to be Her QUER intended to make two Motions: Ministers there shall be able to take their the first was, that Committees should sit, seats; and I think it will be admitted that notwithstanding the adjournment of the there would be an obvious inconvenience House; and that all reports for Private in proceeding further with public business Bills, fixed for Tuesday, Wednesday, or until the returns shall have taken place. Thursday, should be postponed until Fri- Under these circumstances I venture to day. He thought that the objection of the suggest to the noble Earl the expediency right hon. Gentleman was one of a very of deferring until this day fortnight the serious nature. He did not think that the Motion he purposes to make for the second delay from Tuesday to Friday, in the re-reading of the Bill in question. I can asport of a Bill, could be of any serious consure him that his doing so cannot possibly have the effect of defeating what I know House adjourned till Friday at half-past to be his object, namely, that the measure Seven.

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should receive full consideration during the present Session. If he will kindly consent to accede to my request, I am sure that by this day fortnight the objection which now presents itself to the further discussion of the measure will no longer exist.

The EARL of POWIS admitted that it

Union, for a Superannuation Fund for Poor Law Officers.
-By Lord G. Bentinck, from Inhabitants of the Parish
of Castleacre, Norfolk, for Alteration of the Poor Removal
Bill.

was desirable that the discussion on this measure should not take place until Her Majesty's Ministers were in their places; and he accordingly would not hesitate in complying with the noble Marquess's suggestion that he should consent to a postponement. However, as a meeting would take place in the north of England on that day fortnight, at which many of their Lordships might desire to attend, he believed he would be best consulting their convenience by fixing a more remote day. He would suggest that the second reading of the Bill be deferred until Monday fortnight.

HOUSE OF LORDS,

Monday, July 6, 1846.

MINUTES.] PETITIONS PResented. By the Duke of Richmond, from Guardians of the Bromsgrove Union, and from several other Poor Law Unions, for Repeal of Lunatics Act and Lunatic Asylums and Pauper Lunatics Act -From Inhabitants of Bath, for the Abolition of Capital Punishment.

BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE.

The MARQUESS of LANSDOWNE hav

The second reading accordingly post-ing presented a petition, said: I will take poned.

House adjourned.

HOUSE OF LORDS,
Friday, July 3, 1846.

MINUTES.] PUBLIC BILLS.-Received the Royal Assent.

this opportunity of stating that under the merely ordinary circumstances attending a change of the Government, it might have been convenient to propose that Lordships should adjourn for a short time, the number of writs that have been moved in the other House of Parliament, making it

your

Sugar Duties; Superintendent of Convicts; Railway Com- obviously impracticable and inexpedient to

panies Dissolution; Friendly Societies.
PETITIONS PRESENTED. From Guardians of the Mon-
mouth and Crickhowell Unions, for Repeal of Lunatics

Act and Lunatic Asylums and Pauper Lunatics Act.
By the Bishop of London, from Parochial Authorities of

Christ Church, Newgate Street, and St. Andrew, Hol

born, to restrain all unnecessary Sunday Trading. From Guardians of Stow-on-the-Wold Unions for the Adoption of a Measure making the Landlords of Tenements where the Rents are under £6 liable to the Poor Rates.- From

Truro, for the Establishment of Public Baths and Washhouses.

HOUSE OF COMMONS,

Friday, July 3, 1846.

MINUTES.] NEW WRITS. For City of London, v. Lord
John Russell, First Commissioner of the Treasury. For
Tiverton, v. Viscount Palmerston, Secretary of State.
For Devonport, v. Right Hon. Sir George Grey, Baronet,
Secretary of State.-For Halifax, v. Charles Wood, Esq.,
Chancellor of the Exchequer.-For Yorkshire (West
Riding), v. Viscount Morpeth, First Commissioner of
Woods, &c.-For Taunton, v. Right Hon. Henry Labou-

proceed with public business as usual, till
some day in the next week. But it has
been suggested that it would be extremely
inconvenient if the private business were
postponed; and therefore I
that
propose
your Lordships shall continue to sit, with
the understanding, however, that no public
business shall be transacted till the writs
which have been issued in consequence of
the acceptance of office by Members of the
other House of Parliament are duly re-
turned. I shall, therefore, propose that
your Lordships shall meet at four o'clock
on the usual days of meeting; but merely
for the purpose of receiving petitions and of
Swearing witnesses.

LORD STANLEY submitted, whether, if the House assembled so early as four o'clock, the sittings of the Committees

chere, Steward of the Chiltern Hundreds.-For Notting- might not be inconveniently curtailed?

ham Borough, v. Right Hon. Sir John Cam Hobhouse, Baronet, President of the Board of Control-For Edin

The MARQUESS of LANSDOWNE had

burgh City, v. Right Hon. Thomas Babington Macaulay, no objection that the House should conti

Paymaster General; For Worcester City, v. Sir Thomas
Wilde, Attorney General.-For Dungarvan, v. Right Hon.
Richard Lalor Sheil, Master of the Mint.-For Perth Bo-
rough, v. Right Hon. Fox Maule, Secretary at War.-For
Plymouth, v. Viscount Ebrington, Commissioner of the
Treasury. For Leith District of Burghs, v. Right Hon.

Andrew Rutherfurd, Lord Advocate.-For Kirkcudbright,
v. Thomas Maitland, Esq., Solicitor General for Scot-

land.

PUBLIC BILLS.-2°. Baths and Washhouses.

PETITIONS PRESENTED. By Mr. Duncan M'Neill, from
Moderator and Remanent Members of the Presbytery of

Mull, against the Abolition of Religious Tests in the Uni

versities of Scotland.—By Mr. Sotheron, from Ratepayers of Farnborough and Cove, for Repeal or Alteration of Lunatics Act and Pauper Lunatics and Lunatic Asylums

Act.-By Mr. Arthur Taylor, from Officers connected with the Administration of the Poor Laws in the Pershore

nue to meet as usual at five o'clock.

LORD BROUGHAM was not aware how the absence of hon. Gentlemen from the other House of Parliament should interfere with the progress of business in their Lordships' House; but an insuperable reason against a protracted adjournment was, that judgment must be given either tomorrow or on the next day in two important cases, as the learned Judges whose opinions had been sought, would have to leave on circuit upon Wednesday. House adjourned.

nient to the Government and to the House, it would afford the House an opportunity of exercising its judgment upon the subject. These are the arrangements which I propose to make with the consent of the House.

stood when those great measures of commercial reform which had just passed through Parliament were proposed that the Poor Removal Bill, the Highway Rates Bill, and another Bill, for the purpose of giving some sort of compensation to the tenant-farmers, were to be part and parcel of those "great and comprehensive" measures, and that the Government of the day were pledged to the passing of them-as a portion of their great and comprehensive scheme of commercial reform. These three measures, in short, were proposed as a sort of inducement to the country Gentlemen to permit the passing of the great and com

MR. V. SMITH suggested to the right hon. Baronet whether, instead of withdrawing the Highways Bill, he could not proceed with parts of the Bill which were not objected to, and which might pass with the consent of the House. It was a measure very much wanted. There was one provision making it compulsory on districts instead of parishes, which was a valuable arrangement, as well as the putting high-prehensive measures of commercial reform. way rates under a more effectual audit. The right hon. Baronet had earned so much honour by this measure, that he hoped he would not cast off a Bill which was so beneficial, and parts of which he had an opportunity of passing without any difficulty whatever.

SIR J. GRAHAM: I am not disposed to shrink from any personal labour in endeavouring to carry the measure referred to by the right hon. Gentleman; but when I look at the late period of the Session, and at the amount of business of paramount importance which remains to be transacted, I cannot think it possible that in the present Session sufficient time can be given to this Bill. Regarding the enactments to which the right hon. Gentleman attaches importance, namely, that the management of highways in districts should be made compulsory, that is the essence of the measure, and the machinery to carry it out is contained in the Bill; that is the best part of the Bill, and yet it is objected to in many quarters. So that, upon the whole, it seems better that the measure should stand over till another Session. But if the right hon. Gentleman pleases, I shall be glad to hand over the measure to him.

SIR G. GREY: I think the principle of the Bill is a good one; but, looking at the opposition it has met with in various quarters, the postponement of it, I think, will tend rather to advance than retard the

measure.

Order of the Day for the second reading of the Highways Bill put off till that day six months.

POOR REMOVAL BILL. On the Motion that the Order of the Day for the committal of the Poor Removal Bill be postponed till Thursday,

MR. T. DUNCOMBE said, he under

He had said at the time the promise was
made that he entertained some suspicion as
to the good faith of the Government with
respect to these measures, and that the
people of the manufacturing districts had
just cause to complain of their conduct
with regard to the Poor Removal Bill.
The right hon. Baronet (Sir James Graham)
had said, and the late First Minister of
the Crown agreed with him, that the honour
and faith of Parliament were pledged to
these measures, and that he would see to
their being carried and conducted to a safe
and successful issue, so that they and “the
great and comprehensive measures of com-
mercial reform" might go on pari passu.
Well, what was the course to be taken now
with regard to the Highways Bill? The
right hon. Baronet had now thrown it
over; and now, when they came to the
Poor Removal Bill, that he presumed was
also to be thrown over by the noble Lord:
and the right hon. Baronet said now that
it was not imperatively necessary that these
measures should be carried if the consent
of all parties could not be obtained. If the
pledges of Ministers were to be thus broken,
he wanted to know what the public and
the labouring classes would think of the
pledges of the Ministers of the Crown?
They were bound to pass the Poor Removal
Bill before the Irish Coercion Bill.
one occasion, when the Coercion Bill was
brought forward, he contended that the
Poor Removal Bill should be taken into
consideration first, because he foresaw
what was about to take place. And what
had taken place since? The late Govern-
ment had, in his opinion, been guilty of a
gross breach of faith in not having pro-
ceeded with these measures which were
held out as measures of compensation to
certain parties. What the noble Lord was
going to do with the Poor Removal Bill he

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3. and passed. Burial Service; Election Notices (Ire-Orders of the Day which stand for this

land).

PETITIONS PRESENTED. From Alfred Day, of Wincanton, for the Abolition of Judicial Oaths.-By Lord Campbell, from Rochester, and other places, in favour of the Small Free Provincial Synod of Caithness, and other places, for the Better Observance of the Lord's Day. From the General Assembly of the Free Church of Scotland, praying Regulation of Factories.—From Weobley, for Repeal of Lunatics Act and Lunatic Asylums and Pauper Lunatics Act, so far as respects the Expense of Building and Main

Debts Bill.-By the Marquess of Breadalbane, from the

for a Shorter Period for Labour in, and for the Better

taining County Lunatic Asylums.

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HOUSE OF COMMONS,

Monday, July 13, 1846.

MINUTES.] NEW WRIT. For St. Ives, v. William Tyring

ham Praed, Esq., deceased.-For County of of Kilkenny,
v. Hon. Pierce Butler, deceased.

NEW MEMBERS SWORN. For London, Right Hon. Lord
John Russell.-For Tower Hamlets, Charles Richard

Fox, Esq.-For Halifax, Right Hon. Charles Wood.-
For Devonport, Right Hon. Sir George Grey, Bart.-For

John Jervis, Esq.- For Evesham, Lord Marcus Hill.

evening, with reference to which I wish to make some observations. The first is the Highways Bill, which stands for the second reading, the principle of which has not been adopted by the House. I observe that several petitions have been presented against this Bill, and different opinions are entertained respecting it; and, looking at the period of the Session, the length of the Bill, and the progress made in the Bill, I think it would be better that I should at once withdraw it, and let it become a

dropped order. With respect to another Bill, the Poor Removal Bill, that has been read a second time; and I confess I am most anxious that, at least as to some portions of that Bill, some progress should be made in the present Session; and I allude more particularly to that part of it which provides that persons residing for a fixed number of years should have the right of not being removed from their residence. There are other parts of the Bill which I am of opinion are not necessarily concomitant with that provision, and for which it is not necessary to demand the sanction of the present Parliament. But, considerChurchwardens, and Principal Inhabitants of the Parishing that this is a measure of so much imof North Stoneham, against the Union of Saint Asaph and Bangor, but at the same time providing for the Importance, I do not think it expedient that

Taunton, Right Hon. Henry Labouchere.-For Chester,
For Greenwich, James Whitley Deans Dundas, Esq.
For Gloucester, Hon. Maurice Frederick Fitzhardinge
Berkeley. For Nottingham, Right Hon. Sir John Cam

Hobhouse, Baronet.-For Tiverton, Viscount Palmer

ston.

PUBLIC BILLS.—2o. Ordnance Survey; Western Australia;

New Zealand Loan.

Reported. Baths and Washhouses; Battersea Park.
PETITIONS PRESENTED. By Mr. Compton, from Minister,

mediate Appointment of a Bishop to the newly erected

See of Manchester.-By Mr. John Dundas, from Shipowners and Agents of and at Kingston upon Hull, praying

that all Expenses for the Erection and Maintenance of Lighthouses, Floating Buoys, and Beacons on the Coasts of the United Kingdom, should be henceforth defrayed

out of the Public Revenue.-By Mr. Morris, from Richard Bullock, late of Sheffield, in the County of York,

and now of Islington, in the County of Middlesex, complaining of Loss of Fractice consequent upon the passing of the Act to Amend the Law of Insolvency, Bankruptcy,

and Execution, and praying that his Case might be taken

into consideration, and some Compensation or Employment granted him.-By Lord John Manners, from Merchants, Tradesmen, and other Inhabitants dwelling within

the Jurisdiction of the Newark Court of Requetss, in favour of the County Courts Bill (1844).-By Mr. Smith, from Mayor, Aldermen, and Burgesses of the City and Reformation of Discharged Prisoners.- By Lord John

Borough of Norwich, respecting the Employment and

Manners, from Fustian Cutters of Manchester, Salford,
Warrington, Lymm, Heywood, Royton, and their Vicini-
ties, for the Adoption of some Measures regulating their
Trade. By Viscount Adare, and Mr. Christie, from seve-

ral places, for Repeal or Alteration of Lunatics Act and

Lunatic Asylums and Pauper Lunatics Act.-By Mr.
Barnard, from Members of the Justices Clerks' Society,

for Alteration of the Poor Removal Bill.-By Captain
Pechell, from a number of places, praying that Trading

an individual Member of the House should take charge of it. I should be quite willing, if it be the wish of the House and of the noble Lord opposite and his Colleagues, to take charge of the Bill, to which I attach great importance; but, upon the whole, I think, subject to the concurrence of the House, that it will be better to leave it in the hands of Her Majesty's present Government, who will deal with it in such a manner as they shall think best for the public good. I propose, therefore, to postpone this Order of the Day till Thursday next; and on Thursday the noble Lord will say what course he will take with respect

to it.

The other measure I refer to has come down from the other House; its principle has, I believe, received the sanction of this House. I attach great importance to this measure, with respect to which there is no great difference of opinion. It is a measure for enlarging the powers given to the Enclosure Commissioners respecting disputed boundaries; and, generally speaking, for improving and enlarging the powers given by the Act of last Session. There are some clauses which I wish to introduce BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE-HIGHWAYS into this Bill, and I hope the House will allow it to go through Committee pro SIR J. GRAHAM: There are three formá; and if this arrangement is conve

in Prostitution may be made a Penal Offence.-From Wholesale and Retail Traders, Householders, and Inha

bitants of and in the Vicinity of Lincoln's Inn Fields, Westminster, for Redemption of Tolls on Waterloo and

other Bridges.

BILL.

nient to the Government and to the House, it would afford the House an opportunity of exercising its judgment upon the subject. These are the arrangements which I propose to make with the consent of the House.

stood when those great measures of commercial reform which had just passed through Parliament were proposed that the Poor Removal Bill, the Highway Rates Bill, and another Bill, for the purpose of giving some sort of compensation to the MR. V. SMITH suggested to the right tenant-farmers, were to be part and parcel hon. Baronet whether, instead of withdraw- of those "great and comprehensive" meaing the Highways Bill, he could not pro- sures, and that the Government of the day ceed with parts of the Bill which were not were pledged to the passing of them-as objected to, and which might pass with the a portion of their great and comprehensive consent of the House. It was a measure scheme of commercial reform. These three very much wanted. There was one provi- measures, in short, were proposed as a sort sion making it compulsory on districts in- of inducement to the country Gentlemen to stead of parishes, which was a valuable permit the passing of the great and comarrangement, as well as the putting high-prehensive measures of commercial reform. way rates under a more effectual audit. The right hon. Baronet had earned so much honour by this measure, that he hoped he would not cast off a Bill which was so beneficial, and parts of which he had an opportunity of passing without any difficulty whatever.

He had said at the time the promise was made that he entertained some suspicion as to the good faith of the Government with respect to these measures, and that the people of the manufacturing districts had just cause to complain of their conduct with regard to the Poor Removal Bill. The right hon. Baronet (Sir James Graham) had said, and the late First Minister of the Crown agreed with him, that the honour and faith of Parliament were pledged to these measures, and that he would see to their being carried and conducted to a safe and successful issue, so that they and "the great and comprehensive measures of commercial reform" might go on pari passu. Well, what was the course to be taken now with regard to the Highways Bill? The right hon. Baronet had now thrown it over; and now, when they came to the Poor Removal Bill, that he presumed was also to be thrown over by the noble Lord; and the right hon. Baronet said now that it was not imperatively necessary that these measures should be carried if the consent of all parties could not be obtained. If the pledges of Ministers were to be thus broken, he wanted to know what the public and the labouring classes would think of the pledges of the Ministers of the Crown? They were bound to pass the Poor Removal Bill before the Irish Coercion Bill. one occasion, when the Coercion Bill was brought forward, he contended that the Poor Removal Bill should be taken into consideration first, because he foresaw what was about to take place. And what had taken place since? The late Government had, in his opinion, been guilty of a gross breach of faith in not having proceeded with these measures which were held out as measures of compensation to certain parties. What the noble Lord was MR. T. DUNCOMBE said, he under-going to do with the Poor Removal Bill he

SIR J. GRAHAM: I am not disposed to shrink from any personal labour in endeavouring to carry the measure referred to by the right hon. Gentleman; but when I look at the late period of the Session, and at the amount of business of paramount importance which remains to be transacted, I cannot think it possible that in the present Session sufficient time can be given to this Bill. Regarding the enactments to which the right hon. Gentleman attaches importance, namely, that the management of highways in districts should be made compulsory, that is the essence of the measure, and the machinery to carry it out is contained in the Bill; that is the best part of the Bill, and yet it is objected to in many quarters. So that, upon the whole, it seems better that the measure should stand over till another Session. But if the right hon. Gentleman pleases, I shall be glad to hand over the measure to him.

SIR G. GREY: I think the principle of the Bill is a good one; but, looking at the opposition it has met with in various quarters, the postponement of it, I think, will tend rather to advance than retard the

measure.

Order of the Day for the second reading of the Highways Bill put off till that day six months.

POOR REMOVAL BILL. On the Motion that the Order of the Day for the committal of the Poor Removal Bill be postponed till Thursday,

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