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official paper of this House, without any correc gard to the restrictions contained in the instru moved to strike out the Green amendment. That tion or qualification of the offensive terms! Was ment itself.

has become a matter of history; it is upon your that fair, was it manly, was it just ? Mr. Chair: But suppose the Green amendment had con record, and I ask you, and I ask the gentleman man, I will not undertake here properly to char tained that doctrine: how can my colleague object from Mississippi whether the effect of his motion acterize such an act; but I will undertake to say to it? Does it lie in his mouth to get up here or was not to bring before the House the Senate bill that whenever I make a speech upon this floor elsewhere and condemn it? And here let me say without the Green amendment? and pronounce another, made by any colleague of that my colleague has brought another charge of Mr. QUITMAN. Certainly. mine, or any one else, to be unjust and untrue, ' injustice against me on account of the reference Mr. SHAW, of North Carolina. I must say prevaricating, and unworthy the gentleman who which I made to his position in the Legislature I was surprised, when I read the speech of my colmade it, I never will go out of this Hall and say of North Carolina, in relation to a similar ques- / league, to see the charge brought against the genthat I did not mean to be personally offensive. lion. Now, what was the position of my colleague ilemair from Mississippi, of being guilty of dupliNever, sir! And if, in the heat of debate and the as a Senator of the State Legislature of North city in bringing forward that amendment in ihe excitement of discussion, I should use lapguage Carolina? It is well known by intelligent gentle manner he did. If there is any one trait which loward a gentleman which upon cool reflection I men here that the constitution of that State de- stands out in bold relief in the character of the was forced to consider unjust to him, never would clares that no convention of the people of North gentleman from Mississippi, it is his directness, I be found guiliy of the injustice, the gross in Carolina shall be called to amend the constitution his straightforwardness, and the moral courage justice to him, the injustice to myself, of sending of that State, except by a two-thirds vote of both and boldness with which he marches up to every ihat speech abroad io the world without retrac branches of the State Legislature; and yet my col-li question which it is his duty to meet: he is not the tion or qualification. And yet, sir, with all his league, as a member of the North Carolina Sen man who would lend himself to any such course prating about fairness and justice, that is what my are, supported and voted for the proposition of as that charged by the gentleman from North coll-ayue did, after having made the retraction io Governor Graham, which was intended to provide Carolina, which I have ailuded, and made it in bis own that the question of a convention to amend the Mr. QUITMAN. It was only yesterday that Land-writing, and over his own signature ! constitution should be submitted to the people of I read the remarks of the gentleman from North

Sir, the gentlemau bas applied to me a number the State by a bare majority of both branches of Carolina, (Mr. Gilmer,) and I have been thinking of anecdotes by way of disparagement and ridi the Legislature; and is a majority of the people livery calmly upon the question whether I should cule. This, 100, is a favorite mode of warfare voted for a convention, then the people should pro notice them or not. I will not, at any rate, take with my colleague. Where a lawyer or a statis ceed to elect delegates to amend the constitution, the time to do so now. Perhaps I may notice man would use an argument, my colleague applies , although that instrument itself says that no con them, and I may think them unworthy of notice. an anecdoie; one gentleman on the other side was vention shall be called unlss it is by a vote of

Mr. SHAW, of North Carolina. I was saying 80 deeply impressed with his abilily in that way two thirds of both branches of the Legislature. Ythat the record will show that the gentleman from that he declared, (us I was informed,) during the Mr. GILMER. Will my colleague allow me Mississippi moved to anend the bill then before delivery of my colleague's first speech, that he to correct him as to a matter of fact?

the llouse, by submitting the Senate bill without as good as a comic almanac." He has al. Mr. SHAW, of North Carolina. I owe the the Green amendment, as an amendment to the ready acquired for himself the soubriquet of the gentleman no courtesy, and will not allow him to Crittenden bill, offered by the gentleman from "funny Representative from North Carolina,? interrupt me, especially as I am sure the Chair Pennsylvania, (Mr. MONTGOMERY.] The effect and is fairly entitled to that of " the little joker. will have the liberality to award him the floor at of thai would have been to have brought before Let my colleague cultivate his talent and increase the close of my remarks, when he will have an this House the Senate bill with the Green amendhis fund of anecdote, and he may look forward opportunity to say all that he may desire. I say, "ment, and the Senate bill without the Green amendwith confidence to the time when he will be able then, that my colleague, in voting to sustain the ment. Now, sir, I voted for the proposition of the to obtain an engagement as chief buffoon in some proposition of Governor Graham in the Legis, li gentleman from Mississippi, and my colleague strolling circus. But, sir, I shall not follow his lature of North Carolina, has liimself sanctioned voted against it; and I repeat, that I have done example in this regard either; if, however, my and approved the doctrine which he now de him no injustice in placing him in the position that tastes and my sense of propriety led me to do so,


but which I say is not set forth in the I did. instead of treating this enlightened assemblage | Green amendment.

But my colleague says he voted against the moof the people's Representatives to the stale anec But if the special message of the President does tion ofile gentieman from Mississippi, (Mr. Quitdotes and coarse jokes which my colleague has in contain this doctrine, which has now become so MAN,] not because he was in favor of the Green dulged in, I would procure a copy of Joe Miller odious to my colleague; and if lie has changed his amendment, but because the success of that moand read from its pages such as would be vasily course since he was in the Legislature, why have lion would have deteated the Crittenden bill, which more amusing, though a hundred times repeated, we not heard his thunder sooner? I have here he was in favor of; and that I was unjust towards than any that my colleague has so far entertained an editorial article from the leading organ of the him in not stating that fact. To show how much the committee with.

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party to which the gentleman belongs-ihe Know justice there is in this charge, I will be excused, Now, sir, my colleague charges against me that Nothing party of North Carolina-in which, in I trust, for quoting a brief extract from my speech, I took the ground in my speech, that he voted in speaking of the President's message and of this which will be a sufficient answer to the gentlefavor of the Green amendment, which was at very doctrine which the gentleman so vehemently man's accusation: tached to the Senate bill when it came to this condemns, the following language is used. I quote “But the gentleman may say that he voted against the Hlouse, while I, at the same time, was found nd-, from the Raleigh Register, of the 10th Februnry, Green amendment in order to save, if possible, the House vocating the views of the Executive in regard to ! 185&:

bill. I do not by any means admit that he can thereby find

a sufirient justification of liis voic; but I am willing, for the the principle of that amendment. He goes on fur 6 According to promise we lay before our readers to day sake of the argument only, to give loin the benefit of that ther, and denies that the gentleman from Missis the President's message recominending to the favor of Con. position; and now let us see whether he is justitiable in sippi (Mr. QUITMAN) moved to strike out that grs the Lecompton constiintion. We are not inueh given taking the Crittenden amendmeni in preference to the Senamendment. He denies that I voted to strike ito naging compliments to Democrats, and rarely indeed do

they deserve any at our hands. We hope, however, we can out. He denies emphatically that he voted against , do justice, and it is in a spirit of fair dealing that we say My colleague, in his speech, stated that I read striking it out. Now, sir, what are the facts ? that Mr. Buchanau's message is a most excelloni one." from the Lecompton constitution, to prove that First, does the Green amendment embody thedoc

Besides all this, as the Presilent very well contends, as

that instrument prescribed a proper qualification trine which my colleague says is contained in the

soon as Kimsus is ainulled as a Stole, she can call another for voters; for the purpose, as he supposed, of special message of the Executive? Does that

convention to make another constitution, and it can then be having it go abroad that the Crittenden bill, for amendment declare, as I understand the President ascertamed whether the friends or opponents of slavery are, which he voted, contained no such safeguard. If to have said in his message, that the people of Kan- : simple and plain, and the furious opposition to the President's

the gentleman read my speech carefully, he must Sus would have a right to alter and amend theirconVic 08 can only be accounter for by the fact that certain poli

bave known that I read from that constitution for stitution after they had been admitted into the Con- ticians in Congress desire to prolong this agitation for incir no such purpose; and the same injustice which federacy, without regard to the restrictions con own purposes, and with a view likewise of asserting, il pos. he has improperly, and without the least cause, tained in that instrument itself? I ask the House if

sible, the principle that slavery shall 101-pread he pond its
present limits. As a citizen of the United States, then, and

charged against me, of perverting and misreprethe Green amendment embodies that doctrine? I

a lover of law and order, and as a citizen of the South, and Senting his arguments, he has committed against say it does not. The most that can be said of the mindiul of her rights, we do most carnesily desire to see! me, in this, as well as in numerous other infirst branch of the proposition contained in the Kansas admited with the constitution she pre ents, and lei stances. I showed that by the Lecompton consti. Green amendment is, that it is a negative preg

ber future struggles, it'any shall enue', be carried on upon
her own soil a: il sovereign State, and be seliled by her own

tution, aliens were prohibited the right of suf-
nant; while the second branch absolutely and un citizens. Tijen, and not before, will her matters cease to .frage. I went on then to show that by voting down
qualifiedly asseris that the Congress of the United "be so many fire-brands, threatening the destruction of the that constitution, as the gentleman endeavored 10
States has no right to declare the construction of

vote it down, and by passing another bill, the the constitution of a State. But have I sustaived, There, sir, is the same doctrine held by the Crittenden bill, by which the people of Kansas

any speech which I have made, here or else- leading organ, in North Carolina, of the gentle would have been authorized by my colleague to where, the views of the President of the United. man's own party, and I have vever yet heard vote upon the Lecompion constitution, and if they States in regard to this particular doctrine? My any denunciation of that article by iny colleague saw fii lo reject it; (and the whole tenor of his colleague cannot show it in my speech. It is true or any member of his pariy at home. But after argument, from one end to the other, was to the that I commended that special message, as it the gentleman had concluded to oppose the ad-leflect that that constitution was not the voice of had been commended throughout the length and mission of Kansas under the Lecompion con the people of Kansas, and that if submitted to breadth of the country by ihe conservative and stitution, he finds that this is an odious doctrine, i them, they would vote it down;) they would then patriotic throughout the lind. I approved of the and one which ought not only to condemn the have power under the Crittenden bill to make angeneral principles there set forth; but I did not President, but the Democratic party also, and other constitution, in which they might, and in approve, and I tale occasion to say here that I me too, who never adopted it!

all probability would, ingrast the doctrine of alien do not now approve, the doctrine that the people Now, sir, as to my colleague's denial that suffrage; yes, even free-negro suffrage--and I was can alter or ainend their constitution without rer the gentleman from Mississippi M'. Quruan] warranted in saying that; for the Leavenworth


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35Th Cong....1st Sess.
Personal Explanation_Mr. Shaw.

Ho. Of Reps. constitution, then recently made and published, "in his desire to sustain his unfounded charge jority of the people to change the constitution at any time was said to contain, not only the principle of alien against me, that I had surrendered the rights of the ple, slavery may be excluded whenever a majority of the suffrage, but of suffrage to free negroes; and that United States to this public domain, by my vote people choose; second, that the population of Kansas is not constitution, thus authorized, would entitle Kan for the Minnesota bill, which he voicd against suficient to untitle ber to adiningroil; and, third, that the eas to admission into the Union. That was the adopts the very principle which I asserted in my

constitution framed at Lecompton is not the will of the argument I made; and my colleague, unable to i speech of the 20th April, by which I showed,

people of that Territory." meet it, has only sought to pervert it.

that by conferring upon the people of Kansas, as Now, sir, is that charging him with opposition But the gentleman says I accused him of taking he proposed to do by his voie for the Crittenden to the admission of Kansas, because she would the position that if the Lecompton constitution bili, the right to frame a new constitution and come in "as a slave State:” My charge against should be voted down, the people of Kansas would be admitted into the Confederacy by the procla- him was that while " Kangas was as much a slave seize upon eighty millions of the public lands. Ismation of the President, without any condition : Staie as Georgia or South Carolina, under the Lethere anything of that kind to be found in my precedent to secure the right of the Government compton constitution,” by voting down that conspeech? If so, I call upon the gentleman to bring in the public lands in Kansus – my colleague stitution, and enabling the people of Kansas to it forward and present it to the House and the has clinched the argument I made against him on frame another, if the opinion he gave as to the country. Did I say any such thing? I said that point. I repeat, I undertook to prove, and will of the majority in that Territory was correct, nothing of the kind; and I think my colleague must did prove, to my own satisfaction, at least, that slavery would be abolished, and she would be know that that was not what I said. He knows, the people of Kansas would have been enabled, come a free State. I shall not stop here to make if he has carefully read my speech, which he has had my colleague succeeded in bis effort to defeat, an argument upon this point, Everybody knows in his possession, I said ihai in the Lecomption the Lecompton constitution and carry through that the seventh article of her constitution estab. constitution there was ample and sufficient guar the Critienden bill, to seize upon every acre of the lished slavery by every guarantee that could be antee to secure to the several States their interest public lands in that Territory; and' my logical thrown around that institution. It was opposed in the public domain lying within the borders and sugacious colleague has fully sustained my by the Black Republican party upon that ground. of Kansas; and that, if the people of Kansas came point by adopting the very principle upon which The President announced the fact in his special in under that constitution, the righes of all the I based the whole argument.

message, that Kansas was as much a slave State States-North Carolina as well as the rest--would Now, in reference to the charge that I voted for as Georgia or South Carolina, and my colleague be amply secured. I said that if my colleague the bill to admit Minnesota, which, he says, does labored throughout his whole speech to prove should succeed in voting down that constitution, not contain one word by which the Government that the people of Kansas would vote down the if he should succeed in passing the bill he was ad is secured in the public lands. Has my colleague Lecompton constitution if we submitted it to them, vocating, he would place it in the power of the people I put this case fairly? Has he sustained the grave and would, as certainly, framne a free-State conof Kansas to seize upon and appropriate to their charge he makes against me, of having abandoned stitution in its stead. own use every single acre of the public domain the rights and surrendered the interests of North But, sir, my colleague says he was unwilling within their borders. How did I prove it? By Carolina the public lands in Minnesota? Sir, to bring Kansas into the Union by unfair means; showing that if the people should vote down the has he told the whole truth in the matter? In his he would not countenance the "shuffling" by Lecompton constitution, they would be author- schoolboy days, my colleague learned the Latin which an "unnatural emigration” was forced into ized by the Crittenden bill to frame another con- maxim, as suppressio veri”- but, sir, I have said I Kansas; he would not force upon an unwilling stitution; and without any terms or conditions will not bandy epitheis with my colleague, and I reople a constitution which they were opposed to. precedent in regard to the public domain, or any. will not finish the sentence. I will recall what I Yes, sir, my colleague had such an abhorrence thing else, they were to be inducted into the Union have said. My colleague may not have read the || for ibe - shuffling which had been witnessed in by the mere ipse dixit of the President of the Uni

"enabling act," by which the last Congress au Kansas;" he was so much opposed to that sort of ted States, and there would be no remedy to us thorized Minnesota to form a State constitution shuffling by which an unnatural emigration had if they should assert their right to the public lands, i preparatory to her admission into the Union; he been forced into that Territory; he was so honest, even to every acre within their limits.

may have voted against her admission without || so fair, and so just, he felt constrained to vote The gentleman, in his speech, quotes an ex having informed himself of the facts in the case. against a constitution which made Kansas a slave 3096 tract from a letter of Senator Davis, of Missis. Now, sir, I shall quote the proviso contained in the State, and which had come to us sanctioned by all sippi, written on 14th May, 1858 to sustain his fifth clause of the fifth section of the enabling act, the forms and requirements of law; and, at the position. In doing so, however, he attributes to by which ample security was made for the rights same time, to use every effort in his power to en: him language which is not to be found in the ex of the Government in the public domain. Here able those "shufflersand Free-Soilers, who had tract which my colleague quotes. Nor is it to be is the proviso:

been brought into Kansas by an " unnatural em


esfu found in any other portion of that letter. He says Provided, The foregoing propositions herein offered are igration,” to frame a new constitution, by which that Colonel Davis lays down the principle that on the condition that the said convention which shall form all the South had gained, in the long struggle in the “condilior precedent'' must be contained in the constitution of said State, shall provide hy a clause in said constitution, or an ordinance, irrevocable without the

Kansas, would have been lost. the “ acl of admission." This is an unauthorized consent of the United States, that said State shall never in And why did he do that? Because the gentle

. amendment to Colonel Davis's letter, made by my fortere with the primary disposal of the soil within the man was too fair, too just, and too honest to force colleague for a purpose which must be obvious to same by the United States, or with any regulations Congrens may find necessary for securing the title in snid soil to

upon a reluctant people a constitution which was every one it was absolutely necessary to make bona fide purchasers thereof, and that no tax shall be im

not their will and their choice. Because that couout his case. Here, sir, is the extract which my

pored on lands belonging to the United States, and that in stitution had not been submitted to the people of colleague quotes and adopis: in casc shall non resident proprictors be taxed higlier than


Kansas for their ratification or rejection. That was “ The consequence of admitting a State without a recog. residents."

the chief ground of olvjection which justified my nition precedent of the rights of the United States 10 the

And here I am reminded by the chairman of public domain, are, in my opinion, the transfer of the liseiiul the Committee on Territories (Mr. SterileNS)

colleague (in his own estimation) in puiting himself with the eminent domain, io the people of the state thus adunitted, without reservation. that the constitution of Minnesota ratified and

in opposition to the whole body of southern Dem.

ocrats in the Senate and in the House, supported As you will see,

Colonel Davis does not say confirmed this land provision, I quote here the by a majority of northern Democratic members that the "condition precedent" must be in the third section of the second article of that constitu

and Senators, and by one half the members of his " act of admission." He says no such thing. tion:

own party from the South; because the people But my colleague demands, with an air of tri “ The propositions contained in the act of Congress en of Kansas had not had an opportunity of voting umph, what safeguard there is in the Senate bill titled "An act to authorize the people of the Territory of Minnesota to form a constitution and State government

at the polls for the ratification or rejection of that for the admission of Kansas, for the security of preparatory to their admission into the Union on an equal

constitution. When, let me ask my colleague, the public domain in that Territory, which the

footing with the original States,' are hereby accepted, rati did this new light dawn upon him? When did he Crittenden bill does not also contain? and in this fied, and confirmed, and shall remain irrevocable without connection, and with a flourish of trumpets, he the consent of the United States; and it is hereby ordained

find out that justice and honesty and fair dealing that this Suate shall never interfere with the primary dis

to the people of Kansas required that the Lecomp. quotes a clause from the Crittenden bill, and with posal of the soil within the saine, by the United States, or

ton constitution should be submitted to them for an air of complacency adds, “I shall append to with any regulations Congress nay find necessary for se ratification or rejection? Sir, I say that he had my speech the Minnesota bill, which contains no curing the title to said soil to bona fue purchasers thereof; such guarantee and no security whatever." Now, and no tax shall be imposed on lands belonging to the Uni

not made that notable discovery when he received sir, if my colleague was able to meet the arguted States, and in no case shall non resident proprietors be

the votes of the people of North Carolina which taxcd higlier than residents."

secured lo him the seat which he occupies upon ment I made, why did he resort to the ariful dodge of drawing lis parallel between the Senate

Now, I submit to you and the committee, I

this floor. bill and the Crittenden bill, or the Minnesota bill, submit to the people of North Carolina, whether

During his canvass he proclaimed everywhere instead of meeting the point I distinctly made as

there is the smallest degree of fairness or justice to the people of the fifth congressional district of to the power he proposed to confer upon the peoin the gentleman's charge against me as to this

North Carolina, that President Buchanan was ple of Kansas, to absorb and appropriate the pubmatter.

unworthy the confidence of the southern people, lic lands in case they should chose to vote down

Another charge alleged against me by the gen

because (as he said he had instructed Governor the Lecompton constitution, which was to be

tleman from North Carolina is, that I had done Walker to see that the constitution of Kansas was submitted to them for ratification or rejection by

submitted to a vote of the people of that 'Territory: the Crittenden bill for which he voted ? and the

mission of Kansas under the Lecompton consti

: He declared that, if the Lecompton constitution whole scope of his argument went to show that

tution, upon the ground' that she would thereby if submitted to them, they would vote down that

be admitied as a slave State. Is there any such cation or rejection, the last hope of the southern constitution; his main objection to the admission charge in my speech ? My colleague cannot show people for the admission of a slave State north of of Kanisas, under the Lecompton constitution, || it. I made no such charge. I said: bcing that it was not the will and the voice of the

" He bases his opposition to the admission of Kansas

my colleague make this extraordinary discovery? people of that Territory.

under the Lecompton constitution, in other words, to her Now, sir, strange as it may seem, my colleague

admission as a slave State, upon thiree points of objection :
first, that the Green amendinent affirms the right of a ma not received this new light ! "So far from it, he

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did not hesitate to say that he was in favor of the facts have gone to the people of the country, and approval of the Black Republicans in this House admission of Kansas under the Lecompton con they have all the information necessary to enable Lihat was the gravamen of the charge. Before I stitution, without its being submitted to the peo them to come to a correct conclusion; and I doubt conclude, I shall take occasion to call upon genple. It was not until a still later period that he not that they will render a just verdict. When tlemen on this side of the Hall, whose attenmade the discovery, and his conversion appears the gentleman tells me that ihe conference bill is tion was called to the “congratulating scene" of to me almost as strange, as extraordinary as that as great an outrage as the Crittenden bill, I will which I spoke, to state their recollection of the of St. Paul,

say to him that I am supported by almost the en- || affair, and I shall be content to leave it to them When did that light beam upon him? I have tire body of Representatives from the South, both | to say whether my colleague did, or did not, resaid it was not in December last; but, sir, when in the Senate and in the House; I am supported ceive the “congratulations of the senior member the struggle came on, when the two parties were by a majority of the conservative and patriotic from Ohio, and his Black Republican allies." arrayed against each other here—the South for Democrats of the North in this House and in the As to whether they manifested their approval Lecompton with slavery, on the one hand, and Senate. If I wanted other evidence to prove to of my colleague's speech, I have here a list of submy colleague, with his five southern coadjutors, my mind that, in voting for that conference bill, Iscribers to it; and if the committee will so far inwith the whole Black Republican party, on the was committing no outrage upon my own State | dulge me, I beg leave to read the list, in order other-then it was that this new lighi dawned and upon my own section, it would be enough, and that the country may know whether the stateupon him. Then it was that my colleague turned more than enough, for me to know that I voted in ment which I made as to the approval of that from us, in our hour of need, and went over to direct opposition to every Black Republican in this speech by the Black Republican party is true. the enemy, and cast his vote against us. But, l Hall and in the other branch of Congress.

Here is the list: sir, after that vote had been cast, and the enemies If the conference bill was substantịally the same John A. Gilmer..... .5,000 J. S. Morrill..... of the South were rejoicing over the victory they as that for which my colleague contended, why

H. Winter Davis.......2,000 S. S. Marshall...

W. L. Underwood.. had achieved, an effort was made to raise & con did not Governor Crittenden and Governor Bell

H. Marshall.... ference committee, to see if some plan could be have the sagacity to learn the same fact? Is the F. P. Blair.......

500 James Wilson.

100 agreed upon by which Kansas might be brought mental vision of my colleague so much more acute J. Morrison Ilarris.. 500 Richard Mott...

....100 into the Union under the Lecompton constitution, than that of the two gentlemen from Kentucky and Lewis D. Campbell.... 400 J. W. Sherman......... 100

Benjamin Stanton ..... 300 S. C. Foster..... and peace thereby restored to the country. My the three gentlemen from Maryland, in this House,

200 David Kilgore....... colleague had admitted the urgent necessity of that they, too, could not see it? Yet, of all these F. E. Spinner...

200 C. Billinghurst...... ..100 settling the question and relieving the country of gentlemen of bis own party, who set out against

500 J. W. Morris...........300 the fearful excitement and the dangerous agitation

joon Covode....

A. E. Roberts.... us upon the ground that the bill which we voted

W. A. Howard...

E. P. Walton.... which had so long prevailed. How did he vote for did not submit the Lecompton constitution to Robert Smith....... 200 E. Joy Morris...... then upon the motion to raise that committee? the people of Kansas, only one, and that my col E. B. Potile..

200 H. E. Royce..i Did he come forward in a spirit of conciliation league, could so far look into the merits of the W. Montgomery

300 G. A. Grow....

C. J. Gilman.... 200 S. M. Burroughs.. and compromise, and say to those with whom he question as to see that the conference bill was pre

F.II. Morse....

200 C.B. Hoard... had differed," I have not been able to agree with cisely the thing he had been contending for.

Eli Thayer .......

200 J. M. Parker..... you as to the Senate bill; but I see the necessity I have not time to notice all the points my col S. G. Andrews........ 200 John P. Hale.... of getting rid of this vexed question, and I will league made in his speech. I regret that l'have

Ezra Clark, jr...... .1,000 A. Burlingame..........500

Charles Case.... vote for a conference committee, with the hope not. I must pass over other points to notice the that some plan may be agreed upon to which I charge that he makes, that I persisted in represent And to these may be added the name of the immay be able to give my support?". No, sir; no ing that he received the congratulations of the maculate member from New York, (Mr. MATTEsuch thing! When the two parties in this House senior member from Ohio, (Mr. GIDDINGS,] and SON,] who, out of his hard earnings, subscribed were arrayed against each other, nearly the entire his Black Republican allies on that side of the for five hundred copies. southern delegation on the one side, and the whole House. At the conclusion of my speech of the Mr. MORRIS, of Pennsylvania. Will the genbody of Black Republicans upon the other, while 20th day of April, in indicating the fact that the tleman also put in his speech the list of subscrithe question was in imminent doubt, my colleague speech of the gentleman received the approbation bers to Senator HAMMOND's speech? came forward and said, by bis vote, “I will per and applause of the Black Republicans in this Mr. SHAW, of North Carolina. Every one mit no further effort to be made to selle this ques- || Hall, I said that the senior member from Ohio understands why the gentleman and his allies cirtion; here the matter shall stop.” And, sir, had approached my colleague, and congratulated him. culated Senator' Hammond's speech. The genit not been for the casting vote of the Speaker of I saw him leaning towards my colleague, and, as I tleman need not bring that up here, for I can tell this House, my colleague would have been suc thought, shaking both of his hands. He was con him that the people of North Carolina are not cessful; the Kansas question would still be open; 1 gratulated by a large body of Black Republicans quite so green as my colleague seems to think still a source of trouble and danger. But, sir, we of this House. The gentleman is surprised that many of them are. In his first speech he said he prevailed over my colleague and his coadjutors; I should persist in making this charge. He need was told by a friend that many of the people were the conference committee was raised; and a bill not be surprised at all, for I intend to prove it. like a nest of young birds, i tap on the tree and reported to this House which received the sup- i Why, sir, that strange and extraordinary spec- they will open their mouths and swallow the pori of my colleague; and therefore stands a record tacle which I wiinessed on that occasion, and worm." Let me tell the gentleman from Pennevidence against him on account of his vote against which was witnessed by a large portion of the sylvania that the birds of North Carolina are not the conference committee which framed it! members upon this side of the Hall, so wrought simple enough to open their mouths for any such

But my colleague says that I applied the phrase upon the patriotic indignation of the gentleman worm as that which he offers them. unparalleled outrage" to the position which he from Alabama, (Mr. Houston,) that he cried out Mr. COMINS. You have not read my name occupied upon the Kansas question. What I said to the senior member from Ohio to kiss my col there. Put it down for one thousand. was that the gentleman's position was injurious to league.

Mr. SHAW, of North Carolina. What is the the rights of his own section; and I proved it by More than that, my friend from South Caro- gentleman's name? quoting against him authority which he could not lina (Mr. Miles) having obtained the floor at Several MEMBERS. Couns, of Massachusetts. question-the Raleigh Register-which had de the conclusion of my colleague's speech, the gen. Mr. SHAW, of North Carolina. Mr. Comins nounced the opposition to the admission of Kay tleman from Alabama (Mr. Houston] addressed takes one thousand copies. I hope the reporter sas under the Lecompton constitution as the Chair, and requested the gentleman from will put that down. unparalleled outrage. Does my colleague deny South Carolina (Mr. Miles) to suspend his re Mr. CLARK B. COCHRANE. Has the genthat the phrase was so applied by that journal marks until the Black Republicans had finished tleman read all the names of the subscribers? I will here quote the article so that others may see congratulating the gentleman from North Caro Mr. SHAW, of North Carolina. Yes. Does whether I was warranted in the assertion: lina, (Mr. GILMER.] That will be found by any the gentleman want to put his name down?


“ The President establishes by undoubted proof that the gentleman who is curious enough to make the Mr. CLARK B. COCHRANE. No, sir. constitution of Lecompton was made according to the Con investigation in the official report of the proceed Mr. SHAW, of North Carolina. If the edi. stitution and the laws, and this being the case, what earthly || ings of that day.

tion of my collengue's first speech be exhausted, pretext will Congress have for even hesitating about accepting it, and adınitting Kansas as a State! That right has

Mr. BINGHAM. Will the gentleman allow the gentleman may be able to obtain some of his that body to look behind a full compliance with law, and say me to say a word?

last one, and I doubt not it will answer as useful to the people of Kansas, you ought to have done this or Mr. SHAW, of North Carolina. No, sir. a purpose as the first, that? The idea is patently and egregiously absurd, and My colleague declares that he received no con Mr. MORGAN. I would say to the gentleman known to be so by the unscrupulous men who urge it. What

from North Carolina that we on this side of the if a majority of the voters of Kansas did not take part in the gratulations from the senior member from Ohio formation of the constitution? Whose fault was that but such as I have described, nor any congratulations House subscribed for more copies of Mr. Gar. their own? They had unlimited opportunities to vote, and of any kind. Here at least he is at issue with the TRELL's speech. it for factious and rebellious purposes they chose not to ex former member from the third district of Ohio, Mr. SHAW, of North Carolina. I have failed preise their right of suffrage, are they to be allowed to take advantage of iheir own laches, of their own wrong?

(Mr. Campbell,) who distinctly admitted that he for want of time to notice all the points which my "Never was there a clearer case submitted to the judg congratulated my colleague and took three or four colleague made in his speech. I do not, however, ment of intelligent men than this of Kansas; and it her hundred of his speech, and was sorry he did not deem it at all necessary or important. I would, constitution, as submitted, shall be rejected, it will be an take more. unparalleled outrage, not on the South alone, but on the

if I had time, state here what is the political charconstitution, the laws, and common sense. It will estab

I suppose that every intelligent gentleman un

acter of each of the gentlemen who have subTisli a principle which may be carried out to the utter de derstands, notwithstanding the strenuous efforts scribed for my colleague's speech, in order that struction of all popular government."

that have been made to restrict and limit this every citizen of North Carolina, whether he be a But the gentleman from North Carolina says question to the single fact as to whether the senior reading man or not, may know whether the statethat the conference committee bill is substantially member from Ohio did shake hands with, and ment that I made as to my colleague's speech the same as the Crittenden bill, and that I came offer words of congratulation to, my colleague, receiving the commendation of the Black Repubupon his platform when I voted for the former. Ithat the point, and the essential point, made by lican party of the country was true or not. shall not now stop to discuss this question; the me was, that my colleague's speech received the Having said thus much, Mr. Chairman, by


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way of putting an end now, henceforth, and for supposed, at the time, he congratulated him; and I should simply state that when I made my speech upon ever to the question, I call upon gentlemen here suill have entertained that opinion, but tor the denials which

this subject of Kansas and Lecompton, I amned, have since been made. I thought then, and I think w, who witnessed the same scene that I did, to state from the manifestations given by the meinber from Ohio,

as far as I could, (and I think I succeeded,) at what they saw, and what their recollection of that he was inuch gratified at the position occupied by the making a speech in which there were no offensive it is.

gentleman from North Carolina upon that occasion. personal allusions—a speech that, I conceive, Mr. LCITER. Mr. Chairman Thave stated what I saw upon that occasion, and the im

was acceptable to most southern gentlemen, and Mr. SHAW, of North Carolina, My time is pressions made upon me by the parties referred to.

to the conservative gentlemen from the North. not out, and I do not give way to the gentleman I concur in the above.

My colleague, (Mr. Shaw,) twenty days therefrom Ohio. But I do not want an er parte case


after, in my absence, mado a reply to it; and I

J. L. M. CURRY. made up here. Iam perfectly willing to hear bim

submit to his own good sense, and I submit to or any other gentleman make a statement in re

the sense of the committee, and 10 all who may gard io the matter, after the gentlemen to whom

have read his speech, whether, instead of answerI have referred shall have made their statements.

ing the views which I had respectfully submitted Mr. LEITER. I am obliged to the gentleman;

to the consideration of the House and the coun. but I never take any other gentleman's contro

try, without offense to any one, he did not in his versies off his hands. I have as much of that


speech reply to the ad hominem, as if my having kind of matter as I can attend to. If the gentle

done this or that, having helped a poor Irishman, man from North Carolina [Mr. Gilmer) wants SPEECH OF HON.JOHN A. GIL MER, Legislature of North Carolina, had anything to do

or having voted this way, or that way, in the to reply to his colleague, I will yield the floor to him, provided I can have it afierwards.


with the great questions that were then before us? Mr. SHAW, of North Carolina. I did not


And if my colleague, having thus attempted by yield to the gentleman from Ohio; and I now call

a speech to affect me politically, in the estimation upon gentlemen here to state whether I have de

May 31, 1853.

of my constituents, has found, froni my reply, scribed the scene following the delivery of my

The House being in the Committee of the Whole on the that he has gained nothing by it, but on the concolleague's first speech truly or not?

trary, that he is about to lose by it, I would Mr. LEITER.' I beg the gentleman's pardon.

Mr. GILMER said:

simply say, here, with all good humor, and with I thouglat he was through.

Mr. CHAIRMAN: There seems to be some in all respect, that I do not think it becomes him to Mr. HOUSTON. I desire to say that as far dication of a disposition to deal with me quite : get into this fever, this excitement, this fury, this as I witnessed the exhibition, the gentleman from fiercely and harshly. Instead of arguing the po evident state of dissatisfaction; for I can assure North Carolina (Mr. Shaw) has described it sub litical questions under consideration, thrusts and my colleague that I am down with no such comstantially, as I believe it took place. I was in my attacks are made ad hominem io do me larm. plaint. seat at the time the speech of the gentleman (Mr. Points out of the ordinary scope are made, and I desire, now, to say a word or two in reply to GILMER] was delivered, especially wlien his re my colleague seems to insist upon them as though my colleague, in regard to my speech in reply to marks came to a close. Several of the Black something very important was to turn upon them. him having been delivered on Monday evening. Republicans did congratulate the gentleman, [Mr. Before I proceed, however, I will call upon the My colleague may be assured that as early as a Hik GILMER,) and I distinctly remember seeing Mr. gentleman from New York, [Mr. Goodwin,) who week ago last Tuesday niglit, after it was determGippings approach the member from North Car was between Mr. Gindings and myself, and I ined, as lunderstood, that we were to hold evening olina, (Mr. Gilmer,) after lie had taken bis seat. would be glad if he would state, in the hearing of sessions for debate, I was then ready to proceed, I will not say that he look hold of his hand; but the House, what took place between us.

but could not, by the House refusing to go into my impression at the time was that he did so; Mr. ATKINS. I object, as objection was made committee, for which retusal he voted. I waited till and if I were to speak alone from what I saw, I on this side of the Blouse just now under similar Saturday evening, when I obtained the floor; but should have so stated unhesitaringly at the time, circumstances.

as my colleague was not then present, I postponed as is evident from my exclamation. It is due to Several MEMDERS. It was withdrawn.

my remarks still further, until Monday evening, myself to say that the remark made by me was Mr. ATKINS. Then I withdraw my objec- for the express purpose of giving him an oppor:

doc: not intended to do more than express my own tion.

wnity to be here. He says he diù not receive the feelings of the scene that was being enacted be Mr. GOODWIN. Mr. Chairman

notice. I proceeded. With regard to the printing tween the gentleman from North Carolina, (Mr. Mr. GILJER. My friends say they think it of my speech, my colleague will find, by reference Gilmer,) and the Black Republicans. I did not wholly unnecessary to introduce any testimony to the Globe, that it occupied its regular place in expect to see it in the newspapers.

upon this subject. [Cries of Let him go on.'') the proceedings, and appeared at the earliest posMr. SHAW, of North Carolina. I beg leave Well, I am pertectly willing that he shall make sible moment. But such was my anxiety to pubto call upon the gentleman from Kentucky, [Mr. || his statement.

lish it that I had it printed elsewhere, at my own STEVENSON.)

Mr. GOODWIN. I will say that I was in my expense; and if it did not fall into the hands of Mr. HORTON. Is this in pursuance of any own seat at the time; (Mr. Goodwin's seat is next my colleague, it was in the hands of many genrule of the House?

but one to the seat occupied by Mr. GILMER, and tlemen here before it was published in its regular The CHAIRMAN. The gentleman's time is between it and the aisle;) that Mr. Gippings stood order in the official proceedings in the Globe. But Trecul not out.

in the aisle by the side of my desk; and that there all this is catehing at small things; and I express Mr. HOUSTON. I desire now that other gen is one more desk between Mr. Gilmer's and my my belief, with all becoming respect, that they

Jär dei tlemen, whether they agree or differ with me, own; Mr. GIDDINGS stood here by the side of my had better be left out in discussions of this kind. should state their recollection of that scene. The desk and shook his hands at Mr. GILMER, and I expect to gain nothing by such. I think my gentleman from North Carolina is entitled to the said, “I do not thank you for connecting my colleague will find that the people of North Car: floor, and can yield it for a statement.

name with that of Mr. Buchanan."

That was

olina, before whom we have both to appear, Several MEMBERS on the Republican side. Go all he said; and then he passed along. He did not take very little notice of these small matters. ahead! take Mr. Gilmer by the hands. He was nos

My colleague, it seems, would get me into some

Dalusi Mr. SHAW, of North Carolina. I desire to within reach of bis hands. My colleague, (Mr. controversy with the venerable gentleman from call on several other gentlemen for their state ANDREWS,) who sits by me, was luere at the time. Mississippi, (Mr. QuiTMAN.) In that I trust he ments.

Mr. ANDREWS. My recollection of what will be disappointed; for I say here, as I have Mr. LEITER. Is it understoood that I have occurred corresponds with what my colleague has often said in relation to the gentleman from Misgot the floor? If not, I make the point that the just stated.

sissippi, that I had esteemed and venerated him time of the gentleman from North Carolina has Mr. BINGHAM. I take the liberty of saying as much as any man whose acquaintance it has expired.

that I believe the gentleman from North Carolina been my fortune to make since the commenceThe CHAIRMAN. The gentleman from North [Mr. Shaw] was present when my colleague, Carolina has the floor.

Mr. Giddings,) in his hearing, and in the hear- tarily into some excitement, which, on reflection,

ment of this Congress. He may get him momenMr. HOUSTON. The Chair, and not the gen ing of the liouse, said that he never congratulated I am sure will soon pass away. I expressed my tleman from Ohio, keeps the time.

Mr. Gilmer on that occasion, or on any other, views as to how those who desired to have the Mr. SHAW, of North Carolina. I yield the about his speech; and I submit to the House and Green amendment stricken out of the Senate bill floor, now, to the gentleman from Kentucky. to the country if, after hearing that statement of could have proceeded so easily to do it; and in (Here the hammer fell.)

my colleague, it is not, to say the least of it, a
departure from those rules which ordinarily gov: criticism. But upon that particular subject I think

this, I indulged in the usual freedom of political Note.-Having been prevented, by the expira- Carolina, in the absence of my colleague, to raise been heard in such a manner that my people, an

ern gentlemen, for the gentleman from North I have been heard enough; and I think I have tion of my hour, and the objections which were a question of veracity with him, especially on a made, from calling out any other statements, 1 subject which he knows nothing about?

least, and all North Carolina, will be well satisfied append the following:

Mr. GILMER. I think I recollect seeing the given of that subject. Was the amendment of

with the history and explanation which I have House of REPRESENTATIVES, June 3, 1858. gentleman from Ohio (Mr. Cox] somewhere near ihe venerable gentleman from Mississippi to strike At the request of Hon. II. M. SHAW, I state that I was in me at the time. If he is in the House I should

out the Green amendment? Let us see. the House of Representatives, on the 30th day of March,

be glad to hear his recollection of what occurred. when his colleague (Hon. Mr. GILMER) delivered a speech

Mr. UNDERWOOD. I trust that if the com- ' ment was to strike out the Senate bill and insert in

First, we had the Senate bill. The first amendupon the questions connected with the admission of Kan. sus as a Suate. At the conclusion of the speech, a number mittee has no more important business than this, lieu thereof the Crittenden-Montgomery amend. of “ Republicans," from different parts of the Ilall, crowded we shall rise. around the seat of the honorable member from North CaroMr. GILMER. Well, I will let that pass.

What was the amendment of the gentle lina, and congratulated him. Hon. Mr. Giddings, of Ohio, Mr. Chairman, I am not going to inflict a speech

man from Mississippi? It was to substitute his was in the Hall, at the conclusion of the speech. He ap

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aside. Had it been written mention of the stance, “ no convention shall be called by the Le than to guard against it in the act of admission? Green amendment would appear in it. It was a gislature, except by the concurring vote of two If the State afterwards sees proper to call a consubstitute both for the Senate bill and for the thirds of both Houses,” &c This amendment, vention and amend is constiution, the difficulty Crittenden-Montgomery bill. In his amendment, thus maide-explained more fully by the debates which my colleague seems to labor under would I repeat, nothing would be said about the Green sustains, as I conceive, all the views I have ever arise in every case. amendment, suppose it written out.

What was maintained for the power of the people of North I mention this to my colleague to show how the vote? Those who preferred the adjustment | Carolina over their constitution.'

anxious he is to point out defects, and indulge in of the difficulıy by means of the Crittenden. But how does any difference of opinion on this fault-finding, Montgomery amendment, and were opposed to sustain my colleague? Did I ever talk of sustain He says that, by quoting the letter of the honthe Green amendment, to support the Quiman || ing the doctrine that, in a new Stale, or in an old orahle Senator from Mississippi, (Mr. Davis,] I 'amendment would have had to vote against their State, a convention, called in one way or the other, ! clinch the argument on his position, and in lois own favorite bill, in order to have got at the Green could fairly give the Legisluture the power to make favor, on his vole to admit Minnesota without a amendment. In my reply I asked why the mo a discrimination between property? I never did i provision protecting the United States in herrighis tion was not made simply to strike out the Green at any time. I never maintained the doctrine that to the public domain within the confines of that amendment from the Senate bill? To this no a convention can justly give the Legislature power new State. Very different, in truth, if there be answer is given. My colleague does not doubt, to give security to one srecies of property in pre- anything in his own position a sumed against me. no man doubis, if the amendment had been first ference to another-never. All ihis, however, I I am free to admii that my greal objection to made to strike out the Green amendment from the more fully explained before.

| the admission of Minnesota was the alien univerSenate bill, that motion would have been success A word now about the eighty millions of public' sal suffrage which her constitution tolerates, and ful. Then what would have been the next vote? funds. The fault which I found with my col which is not denied. It would have been a voie deciding between the league's speech was, that he stated that I voted My colleague is down upon me about my forCrittenden-Montgomery bill on the one side, and against the necessary provisions to protect the mer views as to the admission of Kansas with the Senate bill, thus stripped of the Green amends Government in her righi in the public lands withio the Lecompton constitution; talks enigmatically, ment, upon the other side. When the gentleman the confines of Kansas, without noticing the fact and charges more than I recollect. I do not recfrom Kentucky (Mr. MARSHALL] brought that that the same safeguards were contained in the ollect about the canvass. I do not deny, howfaet to their atiention, and asked that the previous : Crittenden-Montgomery bill that were in the Sen ever, that previous to my coming to Congress, I question should be withdrawny, that this motion ale bill,

did entertain and express different views in relamight first be made, so as to place all in their true I understand my colleague now to say that he tion to Kansas and Lecompton to those I formed and proper position, why did not my colleague was misunderstood; that what he meant was,

that and acted upon after investigating and becoming and those of our southern friends who wanted the inasmuch as the people of Kansas mighi vote familiar with the whole facis. The time, I preGreen amendment stricken out yield to him, that down Lecompton, and proceed to form a new suie, is not material. lam free to admit, ihat the question inight be submitted in that shape?) constitution, and in the formation of this new had I not become well satisfied that serious diffiNothing could be gained effectually in putting the constitution they might claim a right to these culties would likely, inevitablı, and without gain motion in the shape in which it was pui, and lands, that would be effectual against the title of, or benefit to my section, arise to the peace and everything could be gained by putting it in the the United States

quiet of the Union, I would have been as ready simple, plain shape of striking out ihe Green Now, let me show how erroneous this position and as anxious as any otherto admit Kansas with amendment; and then the vote would have been is. All Congress can do is to put a proper safe the Lecompton constitution, unconditionally. between the two propositions as I have stated. giard into the bill on which the State is to be But I came here to confer, investigate, and to

But I desire to say no more upon that subject. admitted. Suppose, for instance, that Minnesota, legislate for the best interests of my country. I I understood the greater portion of the speech of or any other State having public lands within it, came here to give that vole which I thought would my colleague, of the 20th of April, 10 be a de comes into the Union with proper provisions in be best for the North, best for the South, best for fense of the doctrine contained in ihe executive ! the act of admission as to the rights of the United the East, and best for the West; and when I had Lecompton message. I directed my remarks to States in the public domain, and afterwards the mare a full investigation of the subject so far as the doctrine contained in the message. In order : people of that State should change their constitu- I could, I found things very different and came that there should be no difficulty upon that ques tion and put in a clause declaring that all the pub- honestly to the conclusion, without any reference tion, I quoted the very identical doctrine in that lic lands within its borders should be the property to any section of this country, that a bill containmessage with which I found fault and dissented of the State: how would this affect the Govern- | ing the provisions such as the bill I have ad vofrom, and upon which the Green amendment ment title? The position of my colleague is, it' ! cated and sustained, was best calculated to quiet rested for explanation—the executive message understand him, that a subsequent alteration of the country finally and forever. I gave it my giving meaning, force, and effect, to this Green the State constitution could take away the title of heart, I gave it my hand, I gave it my cordial amendment. I have, as to this, noi heard my col. the United States to the public lands in that State, and honest support. league distinctly and really; I do not understand when express provision against it is in the admita Mr. SHAW, of North Carolina. Will my colto day whether he approves of that doctrine or ting act-if the admission afterwards should be league permit me to ask bim a question? not; though, if I have heard and understood him by proclamation. But, sir, I presented the views Mr. GILMER. My colleague will recollect correctly, he says he does not approve of that of the gentleman from Mississippi, (Senator DA how he answered me when I asked the same priviportion of the message. Then, I submit will vis,) and quoted from his letter. My colleague lege. I must reply to him in the same way. great deference, that my colleague ought to bave must admit that I quoted properly. It declares, Mr. SHAW, of North Carolina. I would be let my argument on thet subject pass with his ap- in substance, that unless you provide in the acı glad to know whether, my colleague denies that proval, and himself argued somewhat against that of admission proper safeguards as to the title of the submission of the Lecompton constitution to doctrine of the President; and not have devoted the United States to the public lands in a State, the people was a question in the last canvass ? I himself so entirely to other matters in the speech the Genera! Government loses its control over understood him to say that he look no position in which I made, and matters foreign, and to which those public lands. But my colleague flies in regard to that question. If the gentleman denies no allusion had been made by me.

stantly to something else to get out of that diffi- what I have said, I am prepared to prove it. I One word now as to the vote which he said I culty; and says the remedy is contained in the say this now, because it is not my purpose to gave in the Senate of North Carolina. I desire enabling act. I read the views and position of reply to him that what he quoted and stated as to the provis the Senator from Mississippi, and showed that Mr. GILMER. My colleague will interrupt ions of the constitution of North Carolina shail they must be provided for.

me whether I will or not. appear in his speech just as he spoke it here to Mr. SHAW, of North Carolina. Mr. Chair I adınit that I was, with others at the South, day; because, when it shall be compared with the

who believed that there was no necessity for a constitution of North Carolina, there will be found, Mr. GILMER. My colleague would not ex submission of the Lecompton constitution to the I conceive, a very material difference between his tend this courtesy to me, and I cannot yield. people, for that, I then believed that it was to be quotation and the constitution itself. We had a Mr. SHAW, of North Carolina. I only wish submitud for the sole and improper purpose unconvention to amend the constitution of North to interrupt my co!league to correct him in his fairly to get rid of slavery. Had such been the Carolina, in 1835. It was called by an enabling statement. The Senator from Mississippi did true state of things, and that Lecompion admilied act, the people being first consulted. They de not say that. He did not say the condition pre- slavery, the question, no man would have more clared in favor of a convention, and delegates were cedeni must be contained in the act of admission. readily stood up for the admission of Kansas únelected. Amendments were made by that conven He is so reported in my colleague's speech, but der the Lecompton constitution. tion, and the people ratified their action. he did not say that

My colleague says that I had indicated my In that convention the committee reported, in Mr. GILMER. I cannot yield. My purpose anxiety to get rid of this question. Never did he substance, that no convention should be called, was to try my colleague by his own assumed rule, state a greater truth. I was anxious, and have except in the manner stated by my colleague. I and by the opinion of Senator Davis. I under been anxious since the difficulty arose, that the speak from memory. But according to the regis- stand my colleague now to say, that what he question might be got rid of without harm to the ter of the debates of the convention, complaints meant by the remark in his opening speech, that peace and interests of the country, or the sacrifice were made of the phraseology of the draft of the I had not been faithful against alien suffrage, con of any principle. I presume that my colleague constitutional amendment first proposed, as 10 sisted in this: that the inhabitants or citizens of desired the same thing. I presume that all gencalling a convention in the future. Whereupon Kansas might, under the Crittenden-Montgom- tlemen who voted honestly on this question here a very important amendment, materially chang. | ery bill, for which I voted, in case they voted | desired and aimed at the same thing. And I reing the language as to the call of a convention, down the Lecompton constitution, make a new peat here, that the course I have pursued on this was made the first draft being, in substance, one, in which they might tolerate alien suffrage. subject, whether southern men were with me or “That no convention should be called, except by Now let me examine that position for a moment. against me, is an honest one. Inasmuch as our the concurring vote of two thirds of both Houses.", What more can Congress do to provide safeguards southern friends have come, substantially, in the The amendment made, this section read in sub- li against the exercise of the right of alien suffrage li bill which was passed, upon my identical plat.


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