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-with what justice, I shall leave the Senate to decide.

And this is the experiment, which, according to the Senator from Virginia, (Mr. Rives,) has not failed. This is the experiment to which we ought to give another trial. I tremble for my country when I reflect what may be its condition hereafter, should its treasures be again entrusted to such depositories. No nation can expect perpetual peace. Dark and portentous clouds are now gathering in the north. The Maine boundary question is assuming a threatening aspect. In the South, we have serious disputes with Mexico. If war should come, and find us with our treasures locked up in such depositories as we have had, the embarrassments of the country will be of the most formidable character. Many of these banks could not exist for a moment, if it were not for the boundless, extravagant, and foolish confidence of the public. The inflated bubble when touched by the spear of Ithuriel, must explode and dissolve into thin air. The whole fabric is built upon the sand, and "when the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house, it fell; and great was the fall of it." Nay, sir, a puff of air was sufficient to overturn it.

Apprehensions have been expressed, and no doubt felt in the course of this debate, lest a perpetuation of the divorce which now exists between the Treasury and the banks, might lead to the establishment of a Bank of the United States. This event would, in my opinion, be much more probable should the late system be restored. It is, therefore, natural that the friends of such a bank should be in favor of this restoration. In such an event, let war come when it may, you will then not only be deprived of your own treasures, but specie payments will be suspended, the currency of the whole country will be deranged, and you will not be able to collect taxes from the people, unless it be in depreciated paper. At such a crisis, a Bank of the United States becomes inevitable. Let us then keep our money under our own control. Let us always have it ready for use when it is required. Let us depend upon no banks, whether State or national, for this purpose.

It may be said that although the banks have suspended specie payments, yet the deposites which we have made with them will eventually be paid. This may, or it may not be. I doubt extremely on that point. If the event were certain, however, this is no answer to the objections against employing such depositories. In the day of danger they cease to be banks. Your money, which is the sinew of war, is withheld from you at the hour of your utmost need. Your resources are dried up, and your energies paralysed, at the very moment when the most energetic exertions are demanded. It would be but a poor consolation, either to the Government or people of this country, that after having suffered all the evils and calamities of such a catastrophe, the Commissioners of Insolvency should finally pay them twenty shillings in the pound.

In the second place, I am opposed to returning to the system of deposite banks, because I feel no confidence that upon a second trial, it would prove better than it did on the first. From the very nature and present organization of our State banking institutions, they must go from bad to worse. Their tendency is downward, and unless arrested by the vigorous action of the State Governments, the whole system must rush to inevitable ruin. Í defy the art of man to devise a worse banking system than that which prevails throughout this country. The model of it upon paper was the Bank of England; but the whole capital of this bank is vested in loans to Government, and is therefore as secure as the Government itself. Such is not the condition of any of our institutions. The public have no security that the whole amount of their capital stock may not be squandered; and the fact is, according to the statement of Mr. Gallatin, that one hundred and sixty-five of our banks broke between 1811 and 1830.

These banks, or all of them with which I am acquainted, enjoy, under their charters, a privilege which exempts their stockholders, in their individual capacity, from the payment of any of the notes

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or debts due by the corporation, in case it should become insolvent. There is, I believe, no restriction any where upon the amount of their profits or dividends, unless it be a trifling lax. And they are no where required to have any fixed proportion of specie in their vaults, compared with the amount of their circulation and deposites: certainly they are not in the State which I have the honor in part to represent.

If the Senator from Massachusetts and myself enter into a partnership to prosecute any business, and the partnership should fail, the private fortunes of each of us would be responsible for the debts of the concern. The partners and shareholders in the private or joint stock banks of England are placed in the same situation. No holder of such bank notes in that country, none of their depositors can lose one dollar, until after the private fortunes of all the stockholders shall have been exhausted. This is a great security to the public. Not so the bankers in this country. They are a privileged class. That business which is more profitable than any other is conducted without any such risk. Cupidity is unrestrained by any such apprehension. It has a fair field to display itself. Each man puts into the concern the amount of his stock. When that is paid, the bank proceeds to make money as fast as it can, without the fear of future responsibility. How great is the temptation to excess! These banks create moLey as if by magic, in the form of bank notes or bank credits. These they exchange with individuals for their own notes or bills of exchange, discounting a high rate of interest from their face. Their extravagant issues and credits give a stimulus to extravagant speculations; and our past history proves that the more they loan, the greater is the demand for new loans. The supply never equals the demand. The last few years has been the golden age for banks. I have no means of ascertaining their profits in different portions of the Union. I am sorry that the deposite law did not require the deposite banks to return to the Secretary of the Treasury the amount of their dividends. From all the information which I have received, they have been enormous. The Senator from Georgia (Mr. King) has informed us that the banks in the city where he resides (Augusta,) have divided, during the last year, at the rate of fifty per cent. per annum.

These extravagant profits have tempted the avarice of our citizens. Each one desires to reap his portion of the golden harvest. Our legislative halls have been beset by borers for new banks, genteelly denominated lobby members. Rich rewards and splendid gifts have been made to those of them who proved successful. The State Legislatures have too often yielded to their importunities. Then comes the struggle among competitors to obtain the stock. The scenes which have occurred upon such occasions, in some of our large cities, I shall not attempt to describe. It rises instantly above par; and those who have been fortunate in the struggle, may sell out at an advance. This stock, in many instances, is not paid for in money, but in what are called stock notes. The new bank starts, often without any large proportion of solid capital, to run the same career, which seems to be prescribed to it by the law of its nature.

Bank capital, bank notes, and bank loans, have increased with alarming rapidity for the last few years. The President, in his Message, states that between the commencement of the year 1834, and the first of January, 1836, the bank capital of the country had increased from $200,000,000 to $251,000,000, the notes in circulation from $95,000,000 to $141,000,000, and their loans and discounts from $324,000,000 to $457,000,000. We know that since the first of January, 1836, the increase has still been proceeding at a rapid rate, and many new banks have been created; but after that period, we have received no accurate information of their capital, or of the amount of their issues and loans.

Upon any sudden revulsion of trade, these banks either sink under the weight they have heaped upon themselves, as they have recently done; or, if they survive the shock, they greatly injure, or wholly ruin, those members of the community around them who have unfortunately become their debtors. In struggling for existence themselves, necessity

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compels them to press their debtors with an iron hand.

When a bank fails, what classes of society are most likely to suffer from the explosion? Who do you suppose, Mr. President, held the notes of the hundred and sixty-five banks that proved insolvent between 1811 and 1830? Not the shrewd man of business, not the keen speculator; because they snuff the danger from afar. It was the honest and industrious classes of society, who are without suspicion, and whose pursuits in lite do not render them familiar with the secret history of banking.

We are now just experiencing another great evil which has resulted from the extravagant loans and issues, and consequent suspension of specie payments by the banks. The country is now deluged with small notes, vulgarly called shin plasters. They are of every form and every denomination between five cents and five dollars, and they are issued by every individual and every corporation who think proper. It is impossible for the poor man to say he will not take them; for there is scarcely any silver change in circulation any where. He must receive them for his labor or starve.

The paper on which these small notes are print ed is often so bad, and they are so inartificially go up, that it is almost impossible to distinguish be tween the counterfeit and the genuine. To coun terfeit them has become a regular business, and it has been carried to a great extent.

Our currency below five dollars now consists of this combined mass of genuine and counterfeit shin plasters; and many of the counterfeits are intrinsically of equal value with the genuine. Some are payable in one medium and some in another. Some on demand, and others have years to run before they reach maturity. The very moment the banks resume specie payments, this mass of illegal and worthless currency will be rendered entirely useless. It will fall dead in the hands of its holders, and these will be chiefly the very men who are least able to bear the loss. A scene of confusion and distress will then be presented which I need not describe. Such is one of the effects of extravagant banking.

There is a class of society for whom I have ever felt a deep interest, whose attention I should gladly awaken to the evils of an excessive issue of paper currency-I mean our domestic manufacturers. Do they not perceive that all the protection which our laws afford them is rendered almost entirely useless by the extravagant amount of bank notes now in circulation?

It has been stated, in general terms, by those who best understand the subject of political economy, that if you double the amount of the circulating medium of a country, you thereby double the nominal price of every article. "If, when the circulating medium is fifty millions, an article should cost one dollar, it would cost two, if, without any increase of the uses of a circulating medium, the quantity should be increased to a hundred millions." Although we cannot apply strict arithmetical rules to this subject, yet all will admit that the proposiLet us then suppose, tion is substantially correct. that our currency has reached such a point of depreciation, when compared with that of our rivals in foreign countries, that an article which could be manufactured abroad for one dollar, would cost one dollar and fifty cents at home; and what is the consequence? A premium of fifty per cent. is thus, in effect, given to foreign manufactures over those of domestic origin. For example: A piece of broadcloth costs one hundred dol'ars to the French manufacturer; he brings it here for sale, and, on account of the depreciation in our currency, he receives for it one hundred and fifty dollars; what advantage does he thus obtain? Being the citizen of a foreign country, he will not accept our bank notes in payment. He will take nothing home'except gold and silver, or a bill of exchange which is equivalent. He does not expend this money here, where he would be compelled to support his family, and to purchase his labor and materials,at the same rate of prices which the domestic manufacturer is oompelled to pay: The depreciation in our curren cy below the standard of that of France or England is, therefore, equivalent to a proportionate di

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rect profection to the foreign over the domestic manufacturer. The conclusion is inevitable. It ca: not be denied. It is impossible that our manufacturers should long be able to sustain such an unequal competition. They, above all men, ought to exert their great influence for the purpose of coining the paper currency of our country within some reasonable limits. The fate of the great interest in which they have embarked depends up

on it.

Our farmers in the grain growing States are placed in a similar situation. The amount of our currency must be diminished, or foreign wheat will continue to be imported for doinestic consumption. The farmer in the north of Germany will be able to undersell us in our own markets.

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The banks, by their refusal to pay specie, have now placed themselves in the power of the State Governments. They have forfeited their charters; and it now remains for the different Legislatures to decide upon what terms they shall be restored. Amidst the general misfortunes of the country, it is one source of consolation that the banks have placed themselves within the power of the people. Had they not done this by their own conduct, we know that a numerous and powerful party exists in this country who consider a charter of incorporation so sacred, that no State Legislature, by any future law, could ever restrict their own banks from issuing notes under ten dollars, if their charter authorized them to issue notes of a less denomination. According to the doctrines of this party, all power over the paper circulation of the country, which is one of the highest attributes of sovreignty retain ed by the States, has, by them, been irrevocably transferred to eight hundred banks. Thank heaven! every difficulty on that subject is now removed; and it will depend upon the wisdom and firmness of these Legislatures, whether we shall have a sound paper currency in time to come, proportioned in amount to the wants of the people, and placing the banks themselves in a secure condition; or whether we shall again be overwhelmed with a deluge of paper money and all its attendant evils. If they will but secure a specie basis for our paper circulation, by prohibiting the issue of bank notes, at first under ten dollars, and afterwards under twenty; if they will render the stockholders of banks personally responsible, at least for the amount of notes which they may issue; if they will limit the dividends of the banks to a reasonable profit on the investment of the stockholders; if they will require the banks to keep a just proportion of specie in their vaults compared with their circulation and deposites; and above all, if they will adjust the whole amount of bank notes to be issued to the wants of the people, upon principles which have been sanctioned by experience, so as to prevent ruinous fluctuations in the amount of our currency-then, indeed, the evils which we have suffered will be compensated by the benefits we are destined to enjoy. But I confess I dread the result. We are a strange people. The lessons of experience make but a feeble impression on our minds. We rise with so much buoyancy from our misfortunes, that when they have passed away they are instantly forgotten. Should the banks resume specie payments before or shortly after the next meeting of our State Legislatures, and the current begin to run smoothly again, I fear that no such changes will be made in the existing bank charters, and that we must await the event of another crisis, which would then be inevitable.

Until these or some such restrictions shall have been imposed by the States on their banks, they never can, they never will, become secure depositories for the revenues of the Government.

In the third place, the union which is now dissolved between the banks and the Treasury ought not to be restored; because the public deposites would again become the fruitful source of overissues, and extravagant speculation We have ne power to regulate the State banks; but we can withhold from them our revenue, and thus prevent them from using our means for the purpose of deranging the business of society. If we can not eradicate, we are not bound to aggravate the radical sin of their constitution. If we cannot prevent, we need not become accomplices in their misconduct. Bnt I have already incidentally said so,

much in the course of my remarks on this branch
of the subject, that I need not trouble the Senate
with any further observations.

In the fourth place, the divorce now subsisting
between the Treasury and the banks ought to be
rendered perpetual, because of their supposed or
actual subserviency to the Government, and the
dangerous influence which might be exerted over
them by the Executive.

I am not one of those who believe that, hitherto,
any attempt has been made to exert such an in-
fluence; yet every effort has been used by a por-
tion of the press to produce such an impression.
These institutions have been denounced as "the
pet banks" of the Government, and they have
been charged with granting peculiar favors to the
minions of Executive power. True or false, this
charge has produced some effect on the public
mind. Besides, all the transactions of the Secre-
tary of the Treasury with these banks, rendered
necessary by existing laws, have been denounced
as tampering with the currency. And thus the
administration is always blamed for every disaster
which occurs in the money market. A connec-
tion with these banks is thus made to assume a
political character, and is mixed up with all the
party strife of the day. The public mind is inflamed
upon the subject, and the public suspicion is ex-
cited. This is an evil which can only be avoided
by a permanent divorce between bank and State.

But again: If a Secretary of the Treasury were
disposed to exert an improper influence over these
banks, with what prodigious effect might they not
be used to accomplish his purposes? At the time of
the suspension of specie payments there were eighty-
six deposite banks planted throughout our country.
The letters which were read the other day by the
Senator from Mississippi, (Mr. Walker,) prove
how low some of the State banks were willing to
cringe in order to obtain the deposites. Their
language is unworthy of the proud bearing which
ought to characterize American freemen. It proves
at least, that some of them are not very scrupulous,
when "thrift will follow fawning." Such was the
anxiety to obtain a portion of this boon, that two
of the most most respectable banks of the city of
Philadelphia procured resolutions to be passed in
the House of Representatives of Pennsylvania, re-
commending them to the Secretary of the Treasury
as depositories of the public money; and these reso-
lutions were sent to my colleague and myself, with
a request that we might exert our influence to ac-
complish this purpose. Eighty-six affiliated banks,
scattered over every State, and intent upon a com-
mon object, could exert an immense political pow-
er. An ambitious and able Secretary of the Trea-.
sury might use them with prodigious effect in order
to make himself President. And this could be
done with the greater effect, because it would es-
cape detection. The agent of the banks at Wash-
ington city might be used as the instrument, and
all the necessary measures might be adopted in the
secret parlors of the bank directors throughout the
country. A concerted movement might thus be
made in every portion of the Union at the same
moment, which would almost be irresistible.

I do not know but that such a league of asso-
ciated banks might be rendered more dangerous
than even a Bank of the United States. This bank
would have its rights and its duties defined by law.
It could claim the Government deposites, and that
its notes should be received in payment of the
Government dues, under the provisions of its char-

ter.

But the selection of these depositories, the amount of the public money which they shall receive, how long they shall retain it, in what manner they shall conduct their banks, all, all is left to Executive discretion. What a boundless field for Executive patronage! And yet the administration which anxiously desires to surrender this fruitful source of political power, has been charged with designs of extending Executive patronage! And for what reason? Simply because it proposes that the existing officers of the Government, without adding one to their number, should be substituted as the depositories of the public money instead of these banks. Even if it should become necessary to appoint some ten or twenty additional officers at the most important points to perform

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th's duty, I would not compare this increase of Executive patronage with that which the Executive Government is now voluntarily willing to abandon. It would be but as a drop compared with the ocean. Talk not, then, to me of the increase of patronage which the bill upon your table would confer on the Executive. They form a very unjust estimate of the intelligence of our citizens, who would attempt to make them believe that a few Executive officers, known to be such to all the surrounding community, can exercise an influence over the people at all to be compared with that of a league of eighty-six banking institutions.

This now brings me to the bill upon your table. This bill is the only remaining plan to which we can resort. It recommends itself to publ approbation by the simplicity of its provisions. The existing officers of Government already collect and disburse our revenues. It merely superadds to these duties, that of safely keeping and transferring the public money, according to the exigencies of the Government, during the time which must necessarily intervene between its receipt and disbursement. This is the whole bill. If it be justly liable to any criticism, it is that the security of the public money might require the appointment of a very few additional officers in our large commercial cities. It has perhaps been framed more exclusively with a view to economy, than is consistent with the public interest. The object is a great and important one, and no moderate additional expense ought to be spared which may be necessary for its accomplishment. Such is the bill.

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The Senator from South Carolina (Mr. Calhoun) has proposed an amendment to this bill, prescribing the funds which shall be received in payment of the public dues. And here permit me to observe, that in discussing that amendment I shall not inquire whether the Senator has come over to us, or we have gone over to the Senator. This is a question of but small moment, so that we are now together. first extended effort which I ever made in Congress, was in defence of the conduct of that Senator, when I thought he had been unjustly assailed as Secretary of War. We stood together shoulder to shoulder in 1827, and throughout the trying conflict which resulted in the election of General JackI rejoice that he is now found sustaining the leading recommendation of the Message at this important crisis, and I trust that on future occasions we may receive his able and efficient support.

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With all these feelings of distinguished respect for the Senator, I am still sorry that he has offered his amendment. I should have been glad if the vote of the Senate could have been taken upon the simple proposition to divorce bank and State. On this single question we should have, I think, presented a more united front than when it shall be connected with the Senator's amendment. It would have been better first to have established the divorce, and afterwards to have determined, by a separate bill, the nature of the funds which our depositories shall receive.

For my own part, as to the funds receivable, I feel strongly inclined to support the recommendation of the Secretary of the Treasury. In page 23 of his report, when speaking on this subject, he

says:

"This could be effected by directing what alone appears safe, and what is understood to be the practice in both England and France. It is, that the bills of no local banks be taken, which shall not, from the near location of the bank, be equivalent to specie; be able to be converted into specie at very short periods by the receivers and collectors, so as to pay the public créditors legally, if demanding specie; and be thus accounted for at par, and without expense to the Government. Another advantage from this course would be, its salutary check on over-issues by the neighboring banks."

If the depositories were authorized to receive and disburse the notes of such banks, calling upon them at short intervals to settle the balances in specie, it might, I think, have promoted the convenience of the public, as well as afforded a salutary check upon the issues of the surrounding banking institu tions. I understand such was the course pursued by the late Bank of the United States. I was

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willing to proceed cautiously, and not, at the first, go the length of demanding exclusive specie pay

ments.

But the Senator from South Carolina has thought differently, and I shall be compelled to vote for or against his amendment. Giving every consideration its proper weight, I have, since he has agreed to modify it, determined to yield it my support. As it now stands, the notes of specie-paying banks will be receivable in the payinent of all the public dues up till the last day of the year 1838; during the year 1839, one-fourth will be required in specie; during the year 1840, one-half; during the year 1841, three-fourths; and not until the year 1842 shall we reach the point of exclusive specie payments. Its operation will be slow and gradual; and if, in the mean time, we should discover, at any stage of its progress, that it is too severe, we can easily change the law.

What objections have been urged against the entire system presented by the bill and the amendment?

The first is, that it will increase Executive patronage. To this I flatter myself I have already given a-conclusive answer.

The second is, that it will operate with such severity upon the banks, and through them upon the country, as to produce wide-spread disaster and ruin. Gentlemen have taxed their imaginations to present the scene of suffering and desolation which it will produce.

Now, sir, I cannot realize any of these horrors. The cause is too impotent to produce any such effects. On the contrary, I fear that it will go but a small way indeed towards checking the extravagant issues of the banks, and that its influence will scarcely be felt. With the public revenue reduced to the standard of the public expenses, which it now is, and probably will be for many years to come, the specie will flow out of the Treasury almost as rapidly as it flows in. It will be kept in constant circulation. The accumulation must be comparatively trifling. According to the estimate of the President, ten millions of dollars in gold and silver will be sufficient for the purpose of paying and disbursing our annual revenue. I think his estimate extravagant, because one dollar will make many payments in the course of the same year. The operation of the system will be very gradual, and the necessary quantity of specie will gradually be brought into circulation without producing any injurious results to the banks. It may, and 1 trust will, in some degree curtail their extravagant issues, and thus benefit the community, and render their own condition more sound. After the year 1838, there probably may, and I trust will, be a somewhat greater demand upon them for specie than there has been; but this specie will go into the general circulation of the country, and thus gold and silver will be made, to a greater extent, the basis of our paper circulation. Will any Senator object to such a change?

Why, sir, when last in New York, I was informed that the money transactions in Wall street often amounted to $5,000,000 per day. The trade and business of our country is vast, almost beyond conception. The receipts and disbursements of the Government bear but a very trifling proportion to the receipts and payments of individuals. How, then, can it be apprehended, for a moment, that ten millions of dollars in specie, flowing into the depositories in little rills, from every portion of the Union, and constantly flowing back again to the places from whence it came, can produce any injurious effects upon the business either of well conducted banks, or of the country? Away with such idle fears. Upon trial, they will be found to be the mere creations of fancy.

The banks might be injuriously affected, were it not for the amendment which was proposed by the Senater from Missouri, (Mr. Benton,) and which I trust may be adopted. This will oblige the holders of Treasury drafts on depositories to present them for payment, within a short period. Without such a provision, these drafts would inevitably go into the general circulation of the country. Representing the amount of silver and gold which appears upon their face, and having the eventual responsibility of the Government to sustain them,

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if, in case of accident, they should not be paid by
the depository, they would be more valuable than
specie itself, for every purpose of remission. They
would, therefore, remain in circulation, whilst gold
and silver would accumulate in the Treasury.
Specie would thus continue to be drawn from the
banks, to pay the dues of the Government, and a
great part of it would not return into circulation.
The interest of the banks requires that this amend-
ment should be adopted; although these Treasury
drafts would constitute, to a limited extent, the.
soundest and best medium of exchange which the
world ever saw.

A third objection to the proposed system is, that
it will furnish one kind of currency for the people,
and another for the Government: or, in the lan-
guage of the Senator from Massachusetts, it will
set the officers down to the first table, and the peo-
ple to the second. Directly the reverse will be
the effect. It is our object, by these measures, to
elevate the people to the first table, from which
they have been excluded by the bankers, and bro-
kers, and speculators of the country. We wish to
spread before the American people a rich repast, and
place them all upon the same level. It is our pur-
pose, so far as the influence of this Government can
extend, to furnish them all with a currency of gold
and silver, or of paper at all times convertible
into gold and silver. The only means we possess
of restraining these banks from making extravagant
over-issues, and thus always preserving them in a
condition to redeem their notes in gold and silver,
is to withhold from them our revenue, and require
the payment of our debts in specie. It would be a
great blessing to the country if this can be acrom-
plished. Has any Senator proposed that we shall
receive depreciated bank paper in payment of the
public dues? Not one. If we were to adopt such
a measure, it is true we might all sit down to the
same table, but it would be a table covered with
irredeemable and depreciated bank paper, without
hope for years to come of enjoying any better fare.
The Government must stand firm at this crisis, in
order to secure a sound currency for all the people.

A fourth objection urged against this system has been its want of security, and that the public money will not be safe in the hands of our depositories. This objection comes with a bad grace from those who desire again to entrust it to the keeping of deposite banks. I might say, if I thought proper, that it will be at least as safe in the hands of our officers as it has been in the deposite banks. They at least will not lock it up and keep it altogether, unless you will receive their own depreciated notes in payment. The one experiment has failed, and we have not yet tried the

other.

But, sir, the proposed mode of collecting and keeping, and disbursing the public revenue, has existed throughout the continent of Europe from the days of the Roman empire. It is, therefore, not an untried experiment. Is there any reason why, under proper guards and restrictions, the officers of Government should not safely keep what they receive until it is necessary for them to pay it out again? Have we not as honest and capable men in this country as in any other? No plan which you can adopt will altogether secure you against peculation, whilst human nature remains as it is; but this plan, securing as it does the direct supervision of the Secretary of the Treasury, and the immediate responsibility to the Government of all the agents employed, furnishes as great security as any which can be devised. The truth is, that we have been so accustomed to lean exclusively upon banks in this country, that we fear to stand erect and walk alone, and rely upon our own native strength.

It has been suggested in a distinguished Southern paper, (the Richmond Enquirer) whose opinions are entitled to great respect, that the friends of the administration might all unite in making a few banks, at the principal points, the special depositories of our money. My objection to adopt this proposition arises from a conviction that it would bestow exclusive privileges and advantages upon these selected banks, to the injury of all other similar institutions, and that it would, therefore, greatly

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extend Executive patronage? What would be its operation? The agent of the Government collects all its dues in gold and silver. These are placed in a strong box in the vaults of one of these banks. A draft is presented at its counter, whether drawn by the Secretary of the Treasury or the depositor, payable in specie. In most instances the holder of the draft would prefer receiving the notes of the bank, especially if they were in extensive credit. The cashier would pay him in bank paper, whilst an equal amount in specie would be taken from the strong box of the Treasury and transferred to the vaults of the bank. This would be the inevitable process. The officers of Government would thus be made collectors of specie for these favored banks, to the injury of all the surrounding institutions; and an extensive circulation would be secured to their notes by a knowledge of this very fact. No, sir, your true policy is to detach the Government from all banks. Let them all stand upon the same footing and receive the same measure of justice from Congress.

If any thing could reconcile me to vote for the amendment of the Senator from Virginia, (Mr. Rives,) it would be the hope-if I could cherish any such-that, through the agency of the deposite banks, we might procure a more extended specie basis for our paper currency. But, even if we could prevail upon them, which I very much doubt, considering the small amount of our present deposites, to forego the advantage of issuing five, ten, or twenty dollar notes, and of receiving the notes of other banks who might refuse to enter into the same arrangement, what would be the consequence? Why, sir, the vacuum in the circulation thus created would be immediately filled by the notes of other banks, of the denomination of five and ten dollars. This you have no power to prevent. There would be precisely the same amount of circulation in these smaller notes.

The only differ

ence which could exist, would be, that they might be furnished by other banks of a less sound character. The Senator calculates much upon the moral influence which his amendment might exert. What, sir! a moral influence over a banking corporation in opposition to its interest I venture to say, that no such agency as this can prove effectual. It is power alone which can produce this result. And where does this power exist? No where, but in the State Legislatures. It is doubtful, however, extremely doubtful, whether they can ever be induced to exert it. It is most difficult to unite twenty-six independent sovereignties, having different and ever-varying feelings and interests, in any such uniform system of policy; and especially against the opposition of the local banks. During the last session, I had prepared an amendment to the Constitution, (and had it in my desk for a long time,) conferring upon Congress the power of prohibiting the circulation of bank notes under twenty dollars; but declined offering it, because I then deemed it a hopeless attempt. Circumstances have now very much changed; and s:nce the Senator from Kentucky (Mr. Crittenden) has so strongly advocated such an amendment, I feel some confidence that it would meet with a favorable reception from the States. Should I conclude to offer it at the next session, I shall count largely on his able and efficient support; or, if he should prefer to take the lead himself, I shall render him all the assistance in my power.

The Senators from Kentucky and Massachusetts (Messrs. Clay and Webster) have both loudly complained that we have proposed every thing for the relief of the Treasury, but nothing for that of the people of the country. Is this complaint we'l founded? Have we not extended to the banks a credit of four, six, and nine months on the deposites which they received from us as cash, and were bound to pay us on demand? Have we not extended for nine months the credit on merchants' bonds? These indulgences to the banks and to the merchants are, in effect, an indulgence to all their debtors. We do not press them; therefore, they are under no necessity of pressing the community. In order to enable ourselves to extend this relief, we have agreed to make a loan of $10,000,000 in the form of Treasury notes, for one year. These notes, in relieving the community, will be equal to the

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creation of so much gold and silver. Their credit will be such that they may be sent abroad as mittances, and thus pay our debt, equalize our for eign exchanges, and prevent the exportation of specie. I ask, what more could we have done to relieve the country? But we have not proposed a Bank of the United States; and in the opinion of some gentlemen, all which we can do is nothing, if this be left undone. It is the sovereign panacea for all the evils which flesh is heir to.

In addition to the relief measures which I have just enumerated, I ought not to forget the vote of more than two to one upon the resolution reported by the Committee on Finance against chartering a bank of the United States. I consider that vote by far the most important relief measure of the session. If the merchants of our country could but be prevailed upon to abandon every hope of the establishment of such an institution, and throw themselves upon their own resources, instead of expecting aid from the Government, how soon would the present gloomy aspect of affairs begin to brighten. Why should American merchants, whose abilitiesand enter prise render them more able to help themselves than those of any other country, be constantly invoking the aid of the Government to enable them to conduct their foreign and domestic exchanges. Let all hope of obtaining a national bank vanish from their minds, and we shall soon see the exchanges conducted upon the same principles, and with the same success, which characterize similar operations in Europe. Let our merchants first put their own shoulders to the wheel, and then they need never pray to Hercules for relief.

There is another cause which renders the charter of a new bank almost hopeless. It would be in bad taste for me to bring into the discussion upon this theatre, the Bank of the United States of Pennsylvania. Whether it shall continue to exist, is a domestic question which we shall settle at home. My opinions in regard to this institution have been openly avowed upon all suitable occasions. But if the people of Pennsylvania should tolerate its continued existence, you already have a Bank of the United States. That institution is too vast to be sustained by a single State. It must be a Bank of the United States, or it can be nothing. Mr. Biddle truly said, in presenting its charter to the stockholders, that it possessed greater advantages under it, than it had ever enjoyed before. It has the unlimited power of buying and holding banking stock. Under this provision, it has, I am informed, already purchased two banks; the one in Georgia and the other in Louisiana, and it will continue to acquire other State Institutions, which will act as its branches. Besides, its agencies are already spread over the Union. It is highly improbable that those interested in this institution will ever be the advocates of another National Bank. A new bank, with a capital of fifty millions of dollars, would not, probably, under any circumstances, be established in the same city beside a bank with a capital of thirty-five millions. Attempt to create such a bank in New York, and you will probably find almost the entire population of Pennsylvania, belonging to all political parties, against it. I throw out these suggestions merely to convince the mercantile community how very improbable it is that a new Bank of the United States will be established. If I could convince them of this truth, then the business of the country would soon conform to that state of things, and we should not be kept in eternal strife by the agitation of this question.

I should not further exhaust the patience of the Senate, had not the accuracy of some of the statements of the President, contained in his Message, been questioned in the course of this debate.

The President, whilst assigning the causes of our existing distress, for the purpose of proving that they were not peculiar to this country, but were general in their nature, asserts, that similar causes, operating at the same time, had produced similar effects in England and other commercial countries. He concludes his remarks upon this subject with the observations which I shall read. Here Mr. B. read the following extract from the message:

"In both countries, (the United States and Great Britain,) we have witnessed the same redundancy of paper money, and other facilities of credit; the

same spirit of speculation; the same partial successes; the same difficulties and reverses; and, at length, nearly the same overwhelming catastrophe. The most material difference between the results in the two countries has only been that, with us, there has also occurred an extensive derangement in the fiscal affairs of the Federal and State Governments, occasioned by the suspension of specie payments by the banks.

"The history of these causes and effects in Great Britain and the United States is substantially the history of the revulsion in all other commercial countries."

The correctness of this statement, in point of fact, has been attacked in no measured terms; and it is my present purpose to prove that it has been assailed without any just cause.

Even if the President had been in error in this particular, what would it prove? Certainly not that he intended to mislead others; because such an error, so far from sustaining, would be directly opposed to his own position. If he could have said, with truth, that our peculiar system of bank credits was so very bad, that we alone, of all the nations of the earth, were now suffering under dreadful reverses, whilst other commercial nations had escaped unscathed, this would have given great force to his argument. It would have added another powerful reason to those which he had already urged in favor of divorcing the banks from the Treasury, and not contributing, hereafter, by the public deposites, to swell the tide of bank credits and paper currency, which, in our country alone, had caused so much ruin and distress. The only purpose, therefore, of those who had assailed his statements, must have been to convict him, not of intentional error, but of ignorance

But is he justly liable to this imputation? Senators have attempted to prove it, by showing that during the last few years the circulation of bank notes throughout England has not materially increased; and upon this isolated fact they conclude, that there has been no over-banking nor overtrading in that country. Now, sir, the premises may le true; but I shall show they do not in theory warrant the conclusion, and that it is directly at war with the state of the fact.

Although excessive bank issues undoubtedly are a powerful incentive to extravagant speculations and overtrading, and such they have always proved, to a disastrous extent, in this country, yet these evils may, and sometimes do, exist in countries where the circulation scarcely varies in amount, and is almost purely metallic. If, then, gentlemen could show that the paper circulation of England had remained uniform for the last three years, this would not establish the fact that extravagant credits and speculations had not existed in that country. A friend has just reminded me of a case precisely in point. I refer to the French speculations in colonial produce, I think, of the year 1809. So intensely, at that time, did the spirit of speculation act upon the minds of the people, that the Frenchman forgot his love of pleasure, and his fondness for spectacles; and the very theatres, whilst the play was proceeding, became commercial marts for the purchase and sale of these commodities. They rose to a most extravagant price, and the public mind became excited to the highest pitch. Napoleon, in order to arrest this spirit, had it announced all over the country on the same day, that George the Third was dead. The bubble then burst; and the ruin of thousands was the consequence. These speculations were founded upon the prospect that the war with England would continue, and therefore colonial produce could not be imported into France; and they were suddenly checked, because it was believed that the death of the English monarch would be the harbinger of peace. It is scarce necessary to observe that the circulation of France is almost purely metallic.

But facts are stubborn things; and in the instance before us they will entirely destroy the conclusions of gentlemen. No country in the world has ever witnessed more extravagant bank credits and speculation than England has done within the last eighteen months; and this notwithstand'ng the amount of bank notes in circulation has not greatly increased.

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In 1826, Parliament first authorized the establishment of joint stock banks, with any number of partners, at a distance of not less than sixty-five miles from London. Let us examine the history of their progress, and we shall find it exactly similar to our own. During the first seven years, thirty-four of these banks had been established. In the succeeding two years and eight months, ending on the 12th March, 1836, twenty-eight were added to the number. About this time speculation began to rage; and in April, May, and June, of that year, they increased at the rate of five per month. Two of the fifteen banks established within these three months had each about seven hundred and fifty. partners;-one of them had eleven, and another thirty-four branches in different parts of the kingdom. The Edinburgh Review, for July, 1836, which is my authority for these facts, observes: "We have reason to think that the rate of this extraordinary increase has been since augmented rather than diminished. Latterly, indeed, the mania for joint stock banks seems to have become almost as prevalent as the mania for railways. It is in fact hardly possible to take up a newspaper without meeting with sundry announcements of such establishments, all, of course, dressed up in the most captivating manner." The conjectures of the au

thor proved to be correct. I have a statement before me of the number of joint stock banks in England and Wales on the twenty-sixth of November last, and they amounted to one hundred and two, besides an immense number of branches. Thus it appears that their increase between the 1st of July and the 16th November, 1836, a period of less than five months, amounted to twenty-five. I have no later return in my possession.

In what manner do these banks make the enormous profits which we know they realise? Certainly not by the issue of bank notes; but by bank credits, or paper money in another form. Their notes in circulation in March, 1836, when their number was sixty-two, amounted to £3,094,025 sterling. In December, 1836, when their number had augmented to one hundred and four, their issues had increased to only £4,258,000, or about a million and a quarter.

They discount notes and bills, and, instead of paying out the proceeds in their own notes, they place the amount to the credit of their customers on the books of the bank. These credits then become deposites, and constitute the capital on which individuals speculate and trade. They are transferred from hand to hand by means of bank checks, which are only another form of paper money. In large transactions bank notes are rarely used. A owes B ten thousand dollars, and has a credit in a joint stock bank for that amount. He gives him a check in payment of the debt. The account of A is charged with this amount, and the account of B is credited. Thus ends the transaction, without the use of a single bank note.

If Senators will take up the Treasury report, in relation to any of the large banks in New York, they will discover that a very small portion of their profits proceeds from their issues. The Bank of America, for example, with a capital of $2,000,000, has but $425,000 of notes in circulation, whilst its loans and discounts amount to $3,755,000. What has become of the remaining $3,300,000, the difference between its circulation and its loans and discounts? This sum consists of bank creditsbank deposites, circulating from hand to hand by means of bank checks, which as well deserve the name of paper money as bank notes.

The largest importing merchants in New York rarely keep any money in their counting houses, except for incidental expenses. Their heavy business is all transacted by means of bank credits and bank checks.

The amount of bank notes in eirculation, however much expanded, must necessarily bear some proportion to the day transactions-the common dealings of society, and can not be extended beyond a certain point. The amount of bank credits is not limited by any such rule. All the great speculations, all the large operations, are made through their agency.

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amounting to the enormous sum of $140,000,000, did not equal the one-third of the bank loans and discounts.

Never, then, was there a more fallacious idea than this, that because the amount of bank notes circulating in England had not greatly increased, that therefore extravagant crédits and extravagant speculation did not exist. We may form some idea of the enormous expansion of bank credits in that country, from a passage in the Review to which I have already referred. Mr. B. here read the following extract:

"This rapid increase in the number and in the issue of joint stock banks, has been in part a consequence, but in a much greater degree a cause of the late rise of prices, and of the existing excitements.

"But we should fall into the greatest possible error if we supposed that the influence of the banks in question was to be measured by the amount of their notes in circulation payable on demand. These, in fact, constitute but a comparatively small portion of their obligations. Most of them have been in the habit of trading, not on their own capital, or on the deposites made with them, but on credit obtained in the metropolis and elsewhere. Instead of retaining the bills and other securities they have discounted in their coffers till they are paid, many of the banks have been in the habit of immediately forwarding then to London to be rediscounted. To such an extent has this system been carried, that we are well assured that certain banks, with less than £500,000 of paid up capital, have discounted bills and made advances to the extent of from FIVE to six millions; and the engagements of others have been even more incommensurate with their capital!"

Comment is unnecessary. The rapid increase in the number of banks, and in the amount of bank credits, has produced the same effects in England that they have done in the United States. I will venture to say that no portion of the history of that country presen's a parallel to their late extravagant speculations of every description. The epidemic seems to have spent its force chiefly in the creation of joint stock companies, for almost every purpose under the sun. There are companies for the construction of railroads; for the manufacture of cottons; for tanning; for the manufacture of glass, pins, needles, soap, turpentine, etc.; for dealing in coals; for raising sugar from the beet root; for making railways in Hindostan; for the prosecution of the whale fishery; for trading and founding settlements on the southeast coast of Africa, and finally, for burying the dead.

During the first three months of the last year, one hundred and four joint stock companies were formed in Manchester and Liverpool alone, with an aggregate capital of £37,987,500 sterling! To complete this picture of folly and extravagance, Mr. Poulett Thompson stated, in his speech in the House of Commons, in the discussion relative to the budget, "that he had made a register be kept of the various joint stock companies then on the tapis in different parts of the kingdom, and he found their numbers amounted to between three and four hundred; and that a capital of nearly two hundred millions sterling, or about twenty times the capital of the bank of England, would be required, according to the statements of the parties, to carry them into effect!"

The proposed capital of these companies formed in a few months, amounts to the enormous sum of one thousand millions of dollars, or to nearly four times the whole banking capital of the United States on the first of January, 1836!

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when it becomes necessary to convict the President of ignorance and mistake, we are told, that there has been no over-trading, no excessive speculations, no extravagant bank credits in England; and that too, simply because the amount of bank notes in circulation has not greatly increased. Most astonishing effort! The statement contained in the Message is true, both in letter and in spirit.

If I were to contend, which I do not, that all our calamities in this country have proceeded from the extravagant expansion of the paper credits of England, succeeded by a sudden contraction, it would be much more plausible than the argument of gentlemen. What but this bloated credit tempted our

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merchants to inundate the country with foreign goods? The ancient customs of trade were abandoned, and they were urged in every manner to accept credits, and to draw bills of exchange, not founded upon any actual exports, but on the hope that exports might be made at some future and indefinite period.

The two countries have proceeded together with equal strides on the road to ruin, stimulating each other in their downward career, and they have both suffered the same penalties, and endured the same misfortunes. As the President states, the chief difference in their condition is, that our banks have suspended specie payments, whilst those of England have been able to weather the storm.

But gentlemen allege that the President has committed another grave error, in stating that the foreign debt contracted by our citizens was estimated, in March last, at more than thirty millions of dollars. This estimate, they say, is below the truth some eighty or ninety millions. If it were, this would only be, as in the case of the other alleged mistake, so much in favor of the President's argument-not against it. But how do they prove this mistake? By adding to our actual foreign debt, now due and payable by the merchants, all foreign investments in our stocks, and all the permanent loans which have been made in England to the several States and to corporations. The bare statement of this fact is sufficient. It is evident the President was not estimating the amount of permanent investments made by foreigners in this country, but the actual amount of our commercial debt, due in March last, which it was necessary to extinguish before our trade could revive. This debt may have been thirty-five or forty millions of dollars; but, from the information communicated by the Senator from New York, (Mr. Tallmadge) a few days ago, that, in the opinion of the merchants of New York, it was now reduced to twelve millions of dollars, I should very much doubt whether it at all exceeded thirty millions in March last.

How cheering the intelligence that our foreign debt has been reduced to $12,000,000! The resources of our country are so abundant, that this debt must very soon be extinguished. Our next cotton crop will create a large balance in our favor. The foreign exchanges will soon no longer be against us; and then the foreign demand for specie will cease. All sound banks may then with safety resume specie payments. They will have nothing to dread, except the want of confidence at home. This I fear has been greatly increased at least throughout the interior of Pennsylvania, by the refusal of the banks in Philadelphia to meet those of New York, even for the purpose of consulting at what time it was probable specie pay. ments might with safety be resumed. I have re ceived numerous letters on the subject, which all speak the same language. This refusal I feel confident, did not arise from any apprehension, that these banks were less able to resume specie payments than those of their sister city.

Mr. Van Buren is not only correct in his statements of fact, but, by his Message, he has for ever put to flight the charge of non-committalism-of want of decision and energy. He has assumed an attitude of moral grandeur before the American people, and has shown himself worthy to succeed General Jackson. He has elevated himself much in my own esteem. He has proved equal to the trying occasion. Even his political enemies who can not approve the doctrines of the Message, admire its decided tone, and the ability with which it sustains what has been called the new experiment. And why should the sound of new experiments in Government grate so harshly upon the ears of the Senator from Massachusetts? Was not our Government itself, at its origin, a new and glorious experiment? Is it not now upon its trial? If it should continue to work as it has heretofore done, it will at last secure liberty to the human race, and rescue the rights of man, in every clime, from the grasp of tyrants. Still, it is, as yet, but an experiment. For its future success, it must depend upon the patriotism and the wisdom of the American people, and the Government of their choice. I sincerely believe that the establishment of the agencies which the bill pro

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poses will exert a most happy influence upon the success of our grand experiment, and that it will contribute, in no small degree, to the prosperous working of our institutions generally. The Message will constitute the touchstone of political par ties in this country for years to come; and I shall always be found ready to do battle in support of its doctrines, because their direct tendency is to keep the Federal Government within its proper limits, and to maintain the reserved rights of the States. To take care of our own money, through the agency of our own officers, without the employment of any banks, whether State or national, will, in my opinion, greatly contribute to these happy results; and in sustaining this policy, I feel confident I am advocating the true interest and the dearest rights of the people.

SPEECH OF MR BROWN,

OF NORTH CAROLINA,

In Senate, September 30, 1837-The bill imposing additional duties, as depositories in certain cases, on public officers, being under considerationMr. BROWN said, in rising to address the Se nate, after the very able and luminous investigation which the subject then before them had undergone, he did so from no vain expectation that he should be able, by any thing he might say, to impart any new interest to the debate, which had been listened to so attentively, or to add any thing of force to the argument by which it had been sustained. The acknowledged importance of the question they were called on to decide, the powerful influence which it would exert on the future destinies of the country, either for good or evil, and the deep interest felt in relation to it by the citizens of the State which he, in part, represented, would, he trusted, excuse him for presenting some of the leading considerations which would govern his course on that

occasion.

Before, however, he entered into an examination of the merits of the proposed measure, he would notice very briefly some observations that had fallen from several Senators who had preceded him in the debate. The honorable gentleman from South Carolina, (Mr. Preston,) who has just taken his seat, in the commencement of his remarks, had alleged that the late Bank of the United States, had been constantly the subject of reference, by those who had spoken in this body in defence of the measures of the administration, and had deprecated its introduction into this debate, as tending to make up an erroneous issue before the country. It surely could not have escaped the observation of that gentleman, that the course of the late administration, in relation to that institution, had been severely arraigned by many of those who were politically associated with him, in the progress of the present discussion. Thus invited by the political friends of that gentleman, in some measure, to bring into review the character and conduct of that institution, it could not justly be complained of, either by them or himself, that the invi→ tation had been accepted, and that some reminiscences had been called up, not, perhaps, the most gratifying to its friends, and but little calculated to recommend it to the public favor.

While, said Mr. B. the gentleman evinces so much anxiety that we should avoid making false issues before the country, is he quite certain that he is not himself obnoxious to the same charge? When he imputes to the administration and its supporters, the design of attempting to establish an exclusive metallic currency throughout the country, is he certain that he presents the question fairly? Does he, when he represents them as entering on a crusade to annihilate the State banks, and destroy the paper system, make up an impartial issue? He was well aware, that many of the opponents of the administration had used no ordinary industry, for some time past, to produce the impression on the public mind, that it was a part of its system of policy to attempt the introduction of an exculsive metallic currency. The friends of a national bank, had been especially distinguished for their untiring zeal, in endeavoring to create this impression, no doubt hoping to profit by the

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