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He must not omit to mention that he had of their Lordships; but he would just add last Saturday spoken to some women who that the principle which he entreated their were washing at the institution he was Lordships to sanction whenever the Bill to about to mention, and they had assured him which he had alluded was brought before of the great comfort and convenience which them, had been already recognised by the the opportunity of washing their clothes Legislature in a measure which authorized away from home was to them. Lately an town-councils to raise rates for the erection association of charitable persons had opened of museums, or for the instruction and amusebaths and washhouses in Glasshouse-yard, ment of the people, an application of public in the city, on a small scale, and although money of which he entirely approved. the accommodation was of the most ordin-| Great credit was due to the Government ary kind, nevertheless the following were of this country for having during the last the results, viz., that in the half-year end- few years paid so much attention to the ing November, 1845, there had been instruction and amusement and needful 13,538 bathers; 15,643 washers, being recreation of the people—matters which persons in the very lowest ranks of la- had been too much neglected for a long bour; and 140,034 articles washed. In period in this country; but it must be obthe second half year there were 14,124 vious to every one, that before these objects bathers, 19,934 washers, and 143,432 could be attained, before museums and articles washed. So that in one year public places of instruction could be made they had 27,662 bathers, and 35,680 available, habits of cleanliness, and the persons, who had washed 260,526 arti- means of maintaining those habits, must cles. Now, if they added the other mem- be diffused throughout the whole of the bers of the families of those persons who community. had used the washhouses, they would find The MARQUESS of NORMANBY conthat, including the bathers, there were curred in what had been so well said by 87,000 persons who had either directly or the right rev. Prelate; but the petitions indirectly benefited by this establishment. which he had presented referred to only The whole cost of these advantages, exclu- one feature of this great subject. He hoped sive of the money sunk in the apparatus, that, when their Lordships were consider&c., was no more than 4001., being about ing this question, the state of the dwellings one penny

and half a farthing a head for of the poor would not be overlooked. He the 87,000 individuals benefited indirectly, could assure the right rev. Prelate, who and of 11d. per head for the number di- had referred to this point among others, rectly benefited. These baths were gratui- that he had more than once witnessed the tous: that, however, was not the case with condition of many of those dwellings; and respect to the baths of Liverpool, nor would the impressions left on his mind were still it be the case in the institutions which the fresh as to the necessity of the Legislature petitioners sought to establish. The ea- interfering for the comfort of the people. gerness displayed by these persons to avail He hoped the right rev. Prelate would not themselves of cleanliness made it certain content himself with merely pressing upon that the respectable portion of the labour- the attention of the House the matter of ing classes would gladly pay so small a baths and washhouses, but that he would sum as 2d. for a warm bath. The effect give his valuable assistance in introducing of this system could not be otherwise than some measure for the improvement of the beneficial to the poorer classes; and Mr. dwellings of the poor. Owen, the surgeon, who had been mainly LORD KINNAIRD had also visited many instrumental in the formation of the asso- of the poorer parts of the metropolis; and ciation, said the beneficial effects of bathing it was impossible to conceive the amount of and washing on the poor were most striking wretchedness which had come under his to all those who come into contact with observation. It was absolutely necessary them. The outlay on building establish- that steps should be taken to prevent the ments of the kind proposed to be erected dreadful overcrowding in many portions of could not be very great, and a return upon the city, and also to secure the comfort of the outlay of 137 per cent was confidently the inhabitants otherwise. Let their Lordexpected, so that there could be no great ships look to what was taking place in ground for any apprehensions as to the Bethnal-green. They were building houses amount of the parish rates which might be every day, and yet there was not a single laid out. Ile thought, after what he had sewer in the district. The inhabitants comsaid, it was unnecessary to take up the time plained bitterly of the stagnant water and

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filth which prevailed in that neighbourhood; | 1843 the church was found in an exceedbut nothing was done to remedy the evil. ingly bad state of repair, and a negotiation The evils arising from want of drainage took place with the rector, the Dean of and from overcrowding were such as private Salisbury, with reference to building the enterprise could not reach, and therefore church, and repairing the chancel. A very they ought to be grappled with by the painful controversy took place on this subLegislature.

ject between the dean and the parishioners; Petitions read and ordered to lie on the but, as the dean had very lately resigned Table.

the deanery, he (Earl Grey) needed not to

trouble their Lordships with any statement WOKINGHAM CHURCH AND PARISH. on that head. The result of a prolonged

EARL GREY then rose to present the discussion was this—that the parishioners petition of which he had given notice from were advised that to repair instead of rethe churchwardens of the parish of Woking- building the church would be a most improham, Berks. It appeared from the state- vident outlay of money; but, from the imments of the petition that

possibility of coming to any satisfactory

arrangement with the rector and his lesThe parish of Wokingham extends over about

see of the tithes, they were compelled to 8,500 acres, and contains a population of about expend between 7001. and 8001. on an inand is under the peculiar jurisdiction of the Dean adequate repair of the church, although of Salisbury, who is rector as well as ordinary and they were prepared to expend a much impropriator of the tithes. The tithes have been larger sum for rebuilding the church if the leased for very many years by the Deans of Salis- rector would have joined with them in rea fine, at an annual rent of 261. 138. 4d." The last building the chancel. Into the history of fine received was 2,2001.; and the present Dean of that controversy it would be quite unnecesSalisbury appropriated 2001. of the amount for the sary for him to go, as he had already menbenefit of the minister, by subscribing that sum to tioned that the Dean of Salisbury had very Queen Anne's Bounty, retaining 2,000l. for himself

. lately resigned the deanery; but that very The tithes have been commuted at 1,6981. 108. 9d.; and there are are 30 acres of glebe, worth about circumstance made it important that the Gol a year. The Rev. Thomas Morres, the per- House, and he hoped other authorities, espetual curate, receives a stipend of 1502 only (in- pecially the Ecclesiastical Commissioners, clusive of all fees), 40l. only of which are paid out should now take into consideration the of the tithes. He, some few years since, appointed state of this parish; for it appeared to him an assistant curate, at a salary of 801., which left the perpetual curate only 70l. per annum for the that there was great force in the concludeure of the parish. The perpetual curate, being ing observations of the petitioners, wherein unable, from the scantiness of his income, to con- they attributed the necessity for that heavy tinue to his assistant curate the payment of the outlay for their church-while admitting salary of 80l

. per annum, has lately been compel that there was some neglect on the part of led to reduce the salary to 40l. per annum, upon condition that the assistant curate shall be relieved the parish officers—to the want of proper from all duty during the week, and his services and efficient visitations on the part of the should be required for the performance of Divine Dean of Salisbury. The petitioners also service on the Sunday only. There is no parson- maintained that it was a gross anomaly in are house or residence for the clergyman. Mr. Morres, the perpetual curate, has consequently the law that the office of rector and visitor been obliged to accept the appointment of master or ordinary should be held by one and the of Lucas's Hospital, an endowed almshouse, be-same individual; because, as ordinary, the longing to the Drapers

’ Company, situate within duty of enforcing the repair of the chancel pend as master of 100l. per annum ; and the rules was directly opposed to his interest as rector, of the hospital enjoin upon him the reading of Di- which would abrogate and put an end to vine service in the chapel every day; preaching his office of ordinary altogether. The every Sunday and Christmas-day, and, in comme churchwardens suggested some improvemoration of the founder, every 15th of July; and ment in the law in this respect, and further administering the sacrament four times a year.' Consequently his duties as master of Lucas's Hos representedpital materially interfere with his duties as the That, although in the parish of Wokingham elergyman of the parish. The time of the assistant upwards of 1,7001. per annum are raised for the eurale was almost exclusively devoted to the edu- maintenance of the Established Church, nearly the cation of pupils; and, by reason of the reduction in whole of the revenues are diverted from the parish, his salary, he is now altogether relieved from the and a population approaching 4,000 souls is left in performance of any weekly duty. The parish, a state of comparative spiritual destitution. There therefore, may be said to be without the entire is no clergyman entirely devoted to the service of services of any one clergyman."

the parish, no pirsonage house, and no means of

obtaining anything like adequic pastoral superinIt was also stated in the petition, that in tendence; that one portion of the parish lies in a

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wild and remote district, and contains an increas- | thorities to take some immediate measures, ing population, composed exclusively of labourers with the view of meeting the wants and and broom-dashers, who subsist almost entirely by cutting heath on the commons, and convert- removing the grievances of which the petiing it into brooms; and who, having for the most tioners complained. When the leases fell part no masters to control them, and no persons in, additional revenues would become availof a superior station dwelling among them, stand able for supplying the spiritual wants of peculiarly in need of regular pastoral superin; the parishioners; and he thought it would tendence; and the want of it must be attended with the growth of irreligion, vice, and immorality,

he just and proper, by some arrangement and must result in the most deplorable conse- -either by Act of Parliament, or by such quences, if some means be not speedily adopted to arrangements as the Ecclesiastical Comarrest and put an end to evils of so deplorable a missioners had power to adopt without character. The petitioners pray that the matters set forth in the petition may be taken into con

a new law, to anticipate this reversionary sideration, with a view of remedying the griev. interest, so as to afford some present asances of which they complain ; and that some law sistance to the parish. He considered it may be passed for the enforcement of a better and the more important that this should be and for the fair and satisfactory adjustment of all done, because, if matters were allowed to questions arising between the rector and the rate remain in their present state, the large payers, touching the repair and upholding of the revenue, when it became available, would chancel and the fabric of the church.”

be far less useful then than it would be It appeared to him (Earl Grey) that the at the present time. If the Established prayer of this petition was one to which Church neglected its duty, a large portion by some means attention ought to be paid; of the population would either become aland that the parish of Wokingham had together indifferent to religious services, or the strongest ground of complaint. Was conform to some dissenting denomination ; it fair or just, where the regular pastoral and under such circumstances the revenue superintendence was so much required, would be much less serviceable than it and where so large a sum as 1,7001. a might be if it were now applied by anticiyear was raised from tithe, that something pation to the benefit of the parish. He quite inadequate should alone be set aside did not think it would be proper at this for the spiritual care of the parish? This time to enter into any discussion of the must strike their Lordships as being en- measures it might be advisable to adopt tirely contrary to justice; and it appeared for the relief of the parish of Wokingham; to him that the circumstance of the recent for he would not at present commit himself vacancy of the deanery afforded a proper to any particular views on that subject. opportunity of doing something in the way He must say, however, it appeared to him of relief for the parish. This case ought that the parish was labouring under grievto attract the immediate attention more ances which urgently called for the interespecially of the Ecclesiastical Commis- position of some competent authority for sioners. He was aware, that by the re- their removal; and he begged leave most cent vacancy of the deanery, the small strongly to recommend the petition to their annual sum of 261. 13s. 4d. became im- Lordships' attention. mediately disposable; and that during the The Bishop of SALISBURY said, that lease of the lessee, who received a large the parish of Wokingham, as had been income from tithe, there was no power of stated by the noble Earl, was a peculiar taking a larger sum for the spiritual wants under the spiritual jurisdiction of the Dean of the parish. But it was by the negli- of Salisbury, and exempted from the jurisgence of the ecclesiastical authorities and diction of his right rev. Friend the Bishop of Parliament that that improvident bar- of Oxford. He (the Bisbop of Salisbury) gain, made with the lessee of the tithe, wished to thank the noble Earl (Earl Grey) had been allowed. It was the fault of for the courtesy with which he had twice Parliament, and it was the fault, too, of deferred the presentation of this petition, the authorities of the Church, who had not on account of circumstances he had stated brought this subject earlier before Parlia- to the noble Earl, and which that noble ment, that the large funds granted in this Earl considered justified its postponement. parish in former ages for ecclesiastical He was also anxious to express his sense purposes had not now for a considerable of the fairness and consideration of the number of years been disposable for that noble Earl in abstaining from introducing object; and therefore the parishioners of a discussion upon the very lengthened corWokingham had an indisputable right to respondence in his (Earl Grey's) possession. look to Parliament and to the Church au- He entirely agreed with the noble Earl that it was difficult to find a case of greater reserved rent of 261., which till the expirahardship and grievance than that of the tion of the present leases was all the proparishioners of Wokenham; for large sums perty at their disposal. Upon one point originally designed for the spiritual im- referred to by the noble Earl, namely, the provement of the parish were devoted to a subject of ecclesiastical visitation, it would purpose which, though good in itself, was not be becoming in him to enter ; but he not that fo which they were best d. must say that he nsidered the peculiar He must say that he did not think the ecclesiastical jurisdictions a great evil and noble Earl had at all overstated the griev- anomaly. These “ peculiars” were estabance ; but he wished the noble Lord had lished under the Papal system, from a depointed out any immediate remedy for sire to limit the power of the diocesan episit. What was the grievance complained copates; and the subject was one to which of? It was the widely-extended grievance the attention of the Commissioners had of the diversion of tithes from the purpose been directed ; but, though they had preto which they were originally appropriated sented a report, the proposal of a complete -the relief of the spiritual wants of the remedial measure had been delayed from country. But, however great might be year to year. The Act 3rd and 4th Victhe grievance under which the parishioners toria, however, gave the Ecclesiastical of Wokingham laboured, they were less Commissioners a power, though not a comunhappily circumstanced than the parish- plete one, to abolish peculiars ; and the ioners of some other places ; for under the Commissioners had lately proposed to Iler late Aet of 3rd and 4th Victoria, c. 113, Majesty a scheme for the abolition of all s. 49, it was provided that the tithes should, peculiars in the diocese of Oxford. When on the next vacancy in the deanery, come that scheme had received the sanction of into the possession of the Ecclesiastical the Council, Wokingham would cease to be Commissioners. A vacancy in the deanery a peculiar jurisdiction, but would be placed having now occurred, these tithes and under the spiritual jurisdiction of the Biestates, subject however to the existing shop of Oxford. The noble Earl opposite Jease, were vested in those Commissioners. had avoided entering into a series of minor But another grievance complained of was, facts mixed up with this question ; and he that the tithes being thus appropriated (the Bishop of Salisbury) had confined his away by the system of leases, were removed remarks simply to matters of a public nafrom the control of the possessor of the ture. He fully concurred with the noble dignity of prebend, or whatever it might Earl that it was most advisable some rebe. Now, to this evil a remedy would be medy should be devised for the grievances applied, so soon as it could take effect, by to which he had directed the attention of the rest of the Ecclesiastical Commission their Lordships. ers expressing their determination not to Petition read, and ordered to be laid on renew leases on lives. On the expiration the Table. of the existing leases, therefore, this tithe

House adjourned. property would come into the hands of the Ecclesiastical Commissioners, who would HOUSE OF COMMONS, apply the funds for the spiritual advantage of the parish of Wokingham. By the 67th

Monday, June 8, 1846. Section of the Act to which he had re- MINUTES.) Public Bills. ferred, the Commissioners were under spe

By Mr. Hume, from Montrose,

complaining of Refusal of Proprietors of Land to grant cial obligation fully to consider the wants Sites in suitable Places, or on any terms, for the Erecand circumstances of that parish ; for under that section, so soon as the Commis

Scotland.-By Mr. Wakley, from G. L. Hutchinson, of

Lambeth, for Inquiry into his Plan respecting Poor Rates. sioners had any funds in their hands -- By Mr. Rice, from Dover, in favour of the Art Unions arising from the ecclesiastical property in

Bill.-By Captain Layard, from Out-Pensioners of Chel

sea Hospital, complaining of Deductions from their Penthe parish of Wokingham, they were bound -before making any other application of them-to pay due regard to the circum

POOR REMOVAL BILL. stances of that parish. Desirous as he On the Question that the Order of the the Bishop of Salisbury) was to see a re- Day for the Second Reading of the ProDiedy applied to this great evil, he did not tection to Life (Ireland) Bill be read, think that, under existing circumstances, Mr. T. DUNCOMBE said, that on a forthe Commissioners could do more than ap- mer evening he had moved that the Comply to the spiritual care of the parish tlc mittee on the Poor Removal Bill be taken

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this evening, in order that he might move support. If he (Mr. Duncombe) should that it do take precedence of the other succeed in getting that instruction rejected, Orders of the Day. At present the Irish they would then have to go back again to Coercion Bill stood for discussion before the whole Bill before it had been altered in the other Orders ; but he maintained that accordance with that instruction. He he was fairly entitled to precedence for the thought, under these circumstances, that Poor Removal Bill, and that the Coercion they ought to know whether the instruction Bill ought not to be gone on with till that of the hon. Member for Malton, so adopted Bill was discussed, and in some way or by a majority on Friday night, rcally emother disposed of. He made this claim in bodied the sense of the House of Commons consequence of an assurance which had on the question—of the same House of been given by the right hon. Baronet at Commons, which last year was so opposed the head of the Government when the first to the principle of that instruction that the reading of the Coercion Bill was agreed to. | Government dared not proceed with the The right hon. Baronet then stated what Bill. He therefore would move that the he proposed should be the course of busi- Order of the Day for the Committee on

that immediately upon the first read the Poor Removal Bill have precedence of ing of the Irish Coercion Bill he should that for the second reading of the Protecproceed with the Corn and Customs Bills, tion of Life (Ireland) Bill. then with some Votes in Supply, then with Sir J. GRAHAM would not object to the Poor Removal Bill, and then that he the Motion of the hon. Member if it were should take the sense of the House on the agreed to on the understanding that the subject of the Sugar Duties. Now, the Order of the Day was only read first for right hon. Baronet had disposed of the the purpose of postponing it. A majority Corn and Customs Bills, and had taken of the House having on Friday decided on some Votes in Supply, but he had not yet adopting the instruction moved by the hon. given the House a discussion on the Poor Member for Malton, he (Sir J. Graham) Removal Bill. On the contrary, he pro- on Saturday morning gave directions for posed to go on with the second reading of the preparation of clauses which in his the Irish Coercion Bill. The House was judgment would give effect to it. Those called on to read the Bill a first time as a clauses were ready, but he had not yet compliment to the House of Lords ; a rea- had time to consider them. If the Order son which weighed so much with some hon. of the Day were postponed to Wednesday Gentlemen on that (the Opposition) side of or Thursday, he would be prepared on the House, that they voted for the first either of those days, in obedience to the reading, although they were going to op- decision of a majority of that House, to go pose the second reading. Before, however, into Committee pro formá, and introduce they went on with the second reading, those clauses. The hon. Gentleman, howwhich must give rise to another long, ever, denied that the majority of Friday wearisome, and futile debate, because it expressed the sense of the House, and never could

that House, he maintain- maintained that to give precedence to the ed that they ought to proceed with that Protection of Life Bill was inconsistent Bill—the Poor Removal Bill to which with the arrangement of public business the House was pledged as to the principle made by his right hon. Friend at a former that certain residence should insure relief, period ; but he was quite sure the House irrespective, as it now turned out, alto- would remember that at the time the segether of settlement. The adoption by cond reading of the Protection of Life Bill the Government of the instruction moved was fixed for Monday, the Committee on by the hon. Member for Malton had taken the Poor Removal Bill was fixed for Frithe House by surprise; and he considered day last ; and that he (Sir J. Graham), at that the majority on the division that took the time that that arrangement of public place did not really represent the sense of business was made, stated that the prothe House. His object, independently al- posed instruction of the hon. Member for together of his hatred to the Coercion Bill, Malton was so important, both in form and now was, to get the Poor Removal Bill dis- in substance, that it must raise a prelimicussed before the other Orders, because he nary discussion, and that, if it was agreed believed that a majority of the House to, some delay would be indispensable, in would discharge that instruction. Even order that the Bill might be modified in the noble Lord the Member for London accordance with it. The second reading had not said he gave it an unconditional of the Bill for the Protection of Life in


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