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ceed to reply to the gentleman from Pennsylvania, | English ecclesiastics, except the invincible Becket, may be seen by the following historical account . I propose to establish the historical fact, that for who refused obedience to the constitutions of of it: six or seven hundred years, the Bishops of Rome | Clarendon, until, abandoned by all the world, he “ The nation was, of a sudden, deprived of all exterior (the Popes,) have claimed and exercised the right was obliged to submit, and to promise “legally,

exercise of its religion ; the altars were despoiled of their with good faith, and without fraud or reserve. --as a divine rightto depose monarchs, and to

ornaments; the crosses, the reliques, the images, the stat

ues of the saints, were laid on the ground, and, as if the absolve their subjects. Henry was still baffled. He sent his constitutions

air itself were profaned, and might pollute them by its conIn 663, when the Emperor Constans went to of Clarendon to Pope Alexander, " and required tact, the Priests carefully covered them up, even from their Rome, the Pope went out six miles, with all his that Pontiff's ratification of them; but Alexander own approach and veneration. The use of bells entirely

ceased in all the churches; the bells themselves were reclergy, to meet him, and attended him, during his condemned them in the strongest terms-abro

moved from the steeples and laid on the ground, with the stay in Rome, as his lord and master. But in 1161, | gated, annulled, and rejected them."

other sacred utensils; mass was celebrated with shut doors, Henry II., and Louis of France, “met the Pope, Becket then repented of his consent; "and en- and none but the priests were admitted to that holy instituand they gave him such marks of respect that they || deavored to engage all the other Bishops in a Con

tion. The laity partook of no religious rite, except baptism both dismounted to receive him, and 'holding, each | federacy to adhere to their ecclesiastical privileges.

to newly born infants, and the communion to the dying.

The dead were not interred in consecrated ground; they of them, one of the reins of his bridle, walked on foot | Henry, informed of Becket's present dispositions, were thrown into ditches, or buried in common fields; and by his side, and conducted him in that submissive applied to the Pope that he should grant the com- their obsequies were not attended with prayers, or any balmanner into the castle-a spectacle to God, angels, || mission of legate in his dominions; but Alexan- lowed ceremony. Marriages were celebrated in the church.

yard; and, that every action of life might bear the marks and men, and such as had never before been ex- der, as politic as he, though he granted the commis

of this dreadful situation, the people were prohibited the hibited to the world."

sion, annexed a clause that it should not empower use of meat, as in lent, or limes of the highest penance, About this period, began the serious disturb- the legate to execute any act in prejudice to the were debarred from all pleasures and entertainments, and ances between the Kings of England and the Pope. Archbishop of Canterbury:" The King, however,

even to salute each other, or so much as to shave their beards

and give any decent attention to their person and apparel. persevered until he triumphed over Becket, for the

Every circumstance carried symptoms of the deepest dis“ The usurpations of the clergy, which had at first been primate was "condemned of a contempt of the tress, and of the most immediate apprehension of divine gradual, were now become so rapid, and had mounted to King's court, and as wanting in the fealty which vengeance and indignation." such a beight that the contest between the regal and pontif. || he had sworn to his sovereign; all his goods and Such is the force and power of an interdict; it ical was really arrived at a crisis in England, and it chattels were confiscated.”

can be better imagined than described. become necessary to determine whether the King or the Priests, particularly the Archbishop of Canterbury, should

But this war still raged between the King and Let us here add, for the information of our be sovereign of the kingdum."

Becket. The Primate defied the King. "He put friends, the form of a personal excommunication: TRE WAR BETWEEN THOMAS A BECKET AND HENRY II.

himself and his See under the protection of the su- “In name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy preme Pontiff.'

About this time Becket fied from Ghost, and of our blessed and most holy Lady Mary ; also, The memorable history of this struggle cannot the kingdom, and was received by the Pope with

by the power of the angels, archangels, &c., we separate fail to be interesting, as well as profitable, in this

M. and N. from the bosom of the Holy Mother Church, and the greatest marks of distinction. He was not idle investigation. Henry had appointed Becket Arch

condemn them with the anathema of a perpetual maledicin his banishment.

tion. And may they be cursed in the city, cursed in the field, bishop of Canterbury. Becket had made himself

« In order to forward this event, he filled all places with

cursed be their barn, and cursed be their store--CURSED BB a favorite with the King as well as with the people: exclamations against the violence which he had suffered.

THE FRUIT OF THEIR WOMA, and the fruit of their land“ The pomp of his retinue, the sumptuousness of his fur

Let them He compared himself with Christ, who had been con

cursed be their coming in and their going out. niture, the luxury of his table, the munificence of his preg- demned by a lay tribunal, and was crucified anew in the

be cursed in the house, and fugitives in the field; and let ents, exceeded anything that England had ever before seen present oppression, under which the church labored.

all the curses come upon them which the Lord, by Moses, in any subject. iook it for granted, as a point incontestable, that his cause

threatened to bring on the people who forsook the divine “But no sooner was Becket installed in this high dignity was the cause of God; he assumed the character of cham

law; and let them be anathema maranatha-that is, let which rendered him, for life, the second person in the king- pion for the patrimony of the Divinity; he pretended to be

them perish at the second coming of the Lord. Let no the spiritual father of the King, and all the people of Engdom, with some pretensions of aspiring to be the first, than

Christian say an Ave to them. Let no priest presuine to he totally altered his demeanor and conduct, and endeav- land. He even told Henry that Kings reigned solely by the

celebrate mass with them, or give them the holy communored to acquire the character of sanctity. He wore sack- authority of the church. That prelate, instigated by re

ion. Let them be buried with the burial of an ass, and be cloth next his skin, which, by his affected care to conceal venge, and animated by the present glory attending his situ- dung upon the face of the earth." it, was necessarily the more remarked by all the world. He ation, pushed matters to a decision, and issued a censure This is the simple excommunication of an indi: changed it so seldom that it was filled with dirt and vermin. ercommunicating the King's chief ministers by name, and His usual diet was bread, his drink water. He tore his back comprehending, in general, all those who favored or obeyed

vidual. But much more terrible, indeed, is the with the frequent discipline which he inflicted on it; be the constitutions of Clarendon. These constitutions he ubro

excommunication of a King or Queen, as we may daily, on his knees, washed, in imitation of Christ, the feet gated and annulled; he absolved all men from the oaths they || readily see from the opening of an excommuniof thirteen beggars, whom he afterwards dismissed, with

had taken to observe them; and he suspended the spiritual cation of Queen Elizabeth, by Pius. It opens presents; he gained the affections of the monks by his fre- thunder over Henry only that the Prince might avoid the

thus: quent cbarities to the convents and hospitals; and all men blow by a timely repentance." of penetration plainly saw that he was meditating some

“ The damnation and ercommunication of Elizabeth, the

But it is fruitless, and a waste of time, to give pretended Queen of England, and her adherents.” great design, and that the ambition and ostentation of his character had turned itself towards a new and more danger

all the details of this quarrel; yet it created more ous object. intense interest and excitement in Europe than

In the excommunication of a King, all his adher“ Becket waited not till Henry should commence those

ents are included. John-was excommunicated; and had ever, or has ever, been felt in any of those projects against the ecclesiastical power which, he knew; || great wars, in which armies annihilated each from their oaths of fidelity and allegiance, and to

the sentence proceeded to absolve all John's subjects had been formed by that Prince. He was himself the aggressor, and endeavored to overawe the King by the intreother! Finally, plenipotentiaries on both sides were

declare every one excommunicated who had any pidity and boldness of his enterprises.

appointed, to negotiate a treaty of peace! And the The ecclesiastics in that age, had renounced all imme: King had to surrender his pretensions, in order

commerce with him, either in public or in private ! diate subordination to the magistrate; they openly pretended

In vain did King John attempt to hold out against to an exemption in criminal accusations, from a trial be

to relieve his Ministers from the sentence of excommufore courts of justice; and were gradually introducing a nication, which Becket, even in his exile, had than

the Pope, and he was finally driven to subscribe

to all the conditions which the Pope was pleased like exemption in civil causes; spiritual penalties, alone dered against them! Here is a history of the terms could be inflicted on their offences; and, as the clergy bad of the treaty:

to impose upon him: extremely multiplied in England, and many of them were,

" That he would submit himself entirely to the judgment consequently, of very low characters, crimes of the deep

“Becket was not required to give up any rights of the of the Pope; that he would restore all the exiled clergy and est dye, murders, robberies, adulteries, rapes, were daily church, or resign any of those pretensions, which had been

laity who had been banished; that he would make them committed with impunity, by ecclesiastics. It had been the original ground of the controversy. Becket and his ad

full restitution of their goods, and compensation for al found, for instance, on inquiry, that no less than a hundred

herents were to be restored to all their livings, and even the damages; and that every one outlawed or imprisoned for murders had, since the King's accession, been perpetrated

possessors of such benefices, and had been filled during his adherence to the Pope, should immediately be received by men of that profession, who had never been called to

the primate's absence, should be expelled, and Becket into grace and favor. Four barons swote, along with the account for these offences; and holy orders were become a bave liberty to supply the vacancies.' In return for con

King, to the observance of this ignominious treaty." “ But full protection for all enormities."--Hume.

cessions which entrenched so deeply on the honor and dig. the ignominy of the King was not yet carried to its full

nity of the Crown, Henry reaped only the advantage of height. Pandolf, the legate, required him, as the first trial Such was the condition of things at that time: seeing his Ministers absolved from the sentence of excommu- of obedience, to resign his kingdom to the Church.” “ John, A clerk in Frorcestershire having debauched a gentle.

nication, and of preventing the INTERDICT which, if these lying under the agonies of present terror, made no scruple man's daughter, had, at this time, proceeded to murder the

hard conditions, had not been complied with, was ready to of submitting to this condition; he passed a charter, in which father; and the general indignation against this crime,

be laid on all his dominions. So anxious was Henry to he said, that not constrained by fear, but of his own free will, moved the King to attempt the remedy of an abuse whichi

accommodate all differences, and to reconcile himself fully he had, for the remission of his own sins, and those of his was become so palpable, and to require that the clerk

with Becket, that he took the most extraordinary steps to family, resigned England and Ireland to God, St. Peter, should be delivered up, and receive condign punishment

flatter his vanity, and even, on one occasion, humiliated and St. Paul, and to Pope Innocent, and his successors in from the magistrate. Becket insisted on the privileges of

himselt so far as to hold the stirrup of that haughty prelate the Apostolic Chair; he agreed to hold these dominions as the church ; confined the criminal in the bishop's prison, while he mounted."

feudatory of the Church of Rome; and he stipulated that if lest he should be seized by the King's officers; maintained Here you see, sir, in the twelfth century, a he or his successors should ever presume to reroke or infringe that no greater punishment could be inflicted on him than

this charter, they should instantly forfeit all right to their degradation ; and when the King demanded that, immedi.

shining instance of the complete triumph of the doininions." “ In consequence of ihis agreement, John did ately after he was degraded, he should be tried by the civil power of the Pope over the haughtiest and most

homage to Par.dolf, as the Pope's legate, with all the subpower, the primate asserted that it was iniquitous to try a

powerful monarch in Europe. And the supreme missive rites which the feudal law required of vassals beman twice upon the same accusation, and for the same autocracy of the Archbishops is strikingly illus- fore their liege lord. He came disarmed into the legate's offense." "Henry, laying hold of so plausible a pretense, resolved to push the clergy, with regard to all their privi. Il turned to his diocese, than he began thundering trated in the fact, that, no sooner had Becket re

presence, who was seated on a throne; he flung himself on

his knees before him; he listed up his joined hands, and put leges, which they had raised to an enormous heiglit, and to

them within those of Pandolf; he swore feally to the determine, at once, those controversies, which daily multi- his excommunications against his enemies, so Pope." plied, between the civil and ecclesiastical jurisdictions. lately "the King's friends and coadjutors."

Here, sir, in this picture, you see a King of Eng. He summoned an assembly of all the prelates of England, What is an excommunication? The excomand he put to them this concise and decisive question:

land on his knees before the legate of the Pope! whether or not they were willing to submit to the ancient

munication of a King, the interdict of a kingdom, Here you see the legate of the Pope, elated by the laws and customs of the kingdom? The bishops unani- is illustrated in the history of King John, the son triumph of sacerdotal power, exulting over a mously replied that they were willing, saving their own of Henry II. The power and authority, which crushed King! Here you see the successors of order."

the Archbishop of Canterbury had acquired, by St. Peter acknowledged to be supreme in temporal Henry, however, persevered, until he procured | Becket's triumph over Henry, shows itself in the as well as spiritual affairs !—and that, too, in a the enactment of the constitutions of Clarendon, next reign; and the King and kingdom of Eng. country the most enlightened of the age and by in which he gained a signal victory over all the Il land are placed under interdict, the effect of which a King in whose veins was the blood of William 330 CONG....2d Sess.

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the Conqueror. In fact, sir, from the period of son in England who had the temerity to circulate remains still to be answered, notwithstanding the the death of Thomas â Becket in England, to the his excommunication of Elizabeth.

complacency of the gentleman from Pennsylvania. triumph of the Reformers, the Archbishop of At the risk of being tedious, I have collected The colleges may be allowed to publish what Canterbury was greater in power in England than these historical facts; and I will add an illustrious they please, so long as they stick to the interest the King himself!

Roman Catholic authority, from whom I shall of the Church, for the time being, and so long as Not only did the papal power presume to hurl quote a few observations upon the claims and power they promote the interest of the Church in the parits thunders of excommunication against individ. || of the Pope lo interfere with and depose monarchs, and

ticular place where questions may be discussed. uals and Kings—but against assemblages of people, to absolve their subjects. The illustrious De Maistre, The Pope will

not call them to account, until the for whatsoever purposes met together. It is in- (as he is called by the Roman Catholics) in his interest of the Church should make it necessary to teresting to note, in the same reign of John, that truly, elaborate and able performance, in a legal denounce their heresies. When that becomes after the disgrace of the King, the Barons met and treatise upon the various powers of the Pope, thus necessary, the Pope will act and denounce their adopted “ Magna Charta." But the Pope (In- || argues in reference to the above question:

colleges, and excommunicate and damn all who prenocent) “considering himself as feudal lord of the “As they had at their command, moreover, all the science sume to uller such doctrines. This would be in ackingdom," issued a bull, in which, from the pleni- | disputed lille to that superiority which at the ume was

umes, an

cordance with the history of the Romish Church. tude of his Apostolic power, and“ from the authoriindispensable. The true principle, that sovereignty comes

The councils of the Romish Church are in the ty which God had committed to him, to build and from God, strengthened besides those ancient ideas, and habit of condemning the doctrines and decrees of destroy kingdoms, to plant and overthrow,” he an- There came to be torined an opinion, almost universal, the preceding councils. What can be considered

which attributed to the Popes à certain jurisdiction over nulled and abrogated the whole charter, and pro

as stable in that Church, sir, which does not questions in wbich sovereigns were concerned. This opin. nounced a general excommunication against every ion was quite sound, and certainly far better than all our

scruple to condemn its own Pope as a heretic long one who should persevere in maintaining such treason- sophistry. The Popes did not at all interfere so as to embar- after he is dead! A general council, which Bishop able and iniquitous pretensions !

rass wise Princes in the exercise of their functions; still less England, in a letter read by the gentleman from These historical facts show, not only the grasp

did they disturb the order of the succession of Sovereigns,
80 long as things were conducted according to the ordinary

Pennsylvania, declares to "s be infallible in docing and aspiring inclinations of the Pope, but prove and kuown rules; it was only when there was great abuse,

trinal decrees,” condemned Pope Honorious as a the absolute supremacy of his temporal powers as great criminality, or much doubt, that the Sovereign Pontiff HERETIC!-and some of his doctrines as heretical! it existed in the thirteenth century. Similar scenes

Avut it matters little here whether the Pope held this

If they can condemn a dead Pope as a heretic, and similar struggles to those already described in || primacy by Divine or human right, provided it be clear

what may they not do with persons, colleges, and England, were of continual occurrence in all the ihat during several ages he exercised throughout the West, bishops? Honorious as a Pope, being infallible, countries in which, at that day, the Romish Church with universal consent and approbation, a power assuredly must have gone to heaven upon his death. The had foothold! It needed but little-a slight offence

Romish Church inculcates the idea that the Pope

“The theory alone, therefore, would be immovable. But was sufficient to cause this arrogant Pontiff to turn what can be said aga ist facts, which are erything in

is bound to go to heaven. But, sir, in the case loose his anathematic bull! and the furious animal, questions of politics and Government?

of Honorious, the council pronounced him a heretic, blinded with a thousand curses, rushed madly “None doubled-Sovereigns themselves did not doubt (while he was in heaven,) and as a heretic canamid the indiscriminate masses of mankind ! this power of the Popes; and Leibnitz observes, with much

not go to heaven, the council, of course, put him truth and delicacy, as is his custom, that the Emperor FredIt seems strange to us of this age-nay, sir, we

erick, in saying to Pore Alexander III., 'Not to you, but in purgatory, by their decree of condemnation!! are astounded—when we look through the iele. to Peter,' coniessed ihe powerof the Pontiffs over Kings, and this Church, by their decree, virtually denies scope of centuries, and behold afar off, in a dim and only contested its abuse. chamber, a feeble old man, alone as it were, hold

“ This observation may be generalized. Princes, struck

the powers of Jesus Christ to keep this heretical by the anathema of the Pope, disputed only its justice, so

Pope in heaven. Sir, how long will it be being his court amid the deserted ruins of an ancient that they were constantly ready to make use of it against

fore St. Peter shall be condemned for his old city, without an army, without a fleet, without their enemies, which they could not do without obviously sin of denying his Master? How long is St. a sword, weighing in the hollow of his band the acknowledging the legitimacy of the power.

Peter safe in the bosom of his LORD? He will

“ Voitairt, after having related, in his own fashion, the mighty empires of the world: Conquering manexcommunication of Robert of France, remarks, 'that the

never be safe, sir, so long as the Romish Church kind with no weapon but arrogance, with no Emperor Otho III. was himself present at the council in shall presume. I have no doubt he is alive to power but the all-invincible superstitions which which the sentence of excoinmunication was pronouncel.! serious apprehensions. I have no doubt that since surrounded his throne !

The Emperor, therefore, acknowledged the authority of

the condemnation of Honorious, his immortal the Pope ; and it is a very singular thing that modern critics And, to uphold this arrogance, he had his faces will not see the manifest contradiction into which they

soul has been jarred everytime the cock crows. of brass, and his arms of iron, in every nation; fall, in observing, as they all do, with admirable unanimity, There are many notable contradictions in the and to spread this superstition, he had his cowled that what was most deplorable in those great judgments, speech of the honorable gentleman from Pennsylemissaries prowling all over the face of the earth.

was the blindness of the Princes who disputed not their
legitimacy, and who themselves orien begged to bave re-

vania, (Mr. CHANDLER.) In one part of his speech And these cowled emissaries! who were they? course to them.

he says, in the most positive and emphatic terms: History, with its burning scroll, declares them to “But if the Princes were agreed, the rest of mankind were "The Roman Catholic Church neither holds nor incul. have been the most degraded and degrading of

so likewise, and there is no longer question but as to abuses, cates a doctrine of power in its head to interfere in tho

which exist everywhere." mankind, given to all the sins and iniquities that

affairs of wmporal Governments, to disturb the monarch, or human flesh, in its weakness, is given to.

This great writer concludes: “Thus the au- release the subject. It never has held any such doctrine.” But, it is said, there is no more danger of the en

thority of the Pope was contested only by those In another sentence he says, in an earlier part

There was never, croachment of Popery. The Reformation redeemed || against whom it was leveled.

of his speech: men and kingdoms. The nations of the earth are therefore, a more legitimate power, as there never “ Nowhere is the right to such power claimed, as of divine freed from the chains of superstition; and the Pope is

was a power so little contested.”-(De Maistre's right, by the Catholic Church." now but a sort of innocent father confessor to the || Pope, 188.)

This admits that the right to such power is priests. Sir, be not deceived. When the lion

But the honorable gentleman from Pennsylva- claimed, but not as a divine right, and presents a sleeps, who so foolish as to approach him in his

nia disclaims for himself, and for certain colleges palpable contradiction to the above positive denial. slumbers? A mouse has too much sagacity to ap:

and councils, that the Pope claims any power to In another part he says: proach a snoring cat, as if in its small cranium could depose or interfere with monarchs, or to absolve

"The most distinguished instance of the exercise of the be crowded the grand idea “eternal vigilance is the

their subjects. His personal disclaimer can amount Papal power of deposing a monarch, is that by Gregory price of liberty." The Reformers prevailed. The to nothing except so far as the gentleman himself VII., (Ganganeli,) who excommunicated and deposed tho Pope surrendered nothing. He retired, in sullen is concerned. I'he disclaiming of the colleges and

Emperor Henry IV." silence, to the gloomy recesses of the Vatican, to councils amount to nothing except so far as the

How could the right be exercised without bebrood over his fallen fortunes; to frame new individuals are concerned who compose the col

ing claimed? How could the power grow into

a right without having been inculcated by the forms of curses; to learn how to damn with in- | leges and councils. Besides being in the face of

the historical acts of the Romish Church for six or

Churchi tense gusto, and to mingle the wine of the Sac

But, sir, it would be impossible to review the raments in the ink with which he wrote his anath | eight centuries, they are positively contradicted emas, in imitation of one of his infallible prede- || by the legal Catholic book of De Maistre, which I gentleman's speech in an hour. This is no place have above quoted.

for controversial investigations. How could any No, sir, the Pope was not dead; “ the snake was scotched, not killed.”

The English editor of De Maistre's profound

man be expected to establish any controverted His anathematical bull was only turned out to work claims “The temporal throne as the patri.

point with a Church which has been nearly ninegrass. mony of the galilean fisherman.” (St. Peter.)

teen hundred years in finding out the immaculate The bull which excommunicated Henry IV.,

conception of the Virgin Mary? “I who was once as great as Cæsar,

claims the power expressly "ex parte omnipotentis THE TERROR OF EXCOMMUNICATIONS. Am now reduced to Nebuchadnezzar; And from as famed a conqueror, dei."

But giving to the Church the benefit of all the genAs ever took degree in war,

The bull of excommunication against King tleman's disclaimers, there still exists the divine Or did bis exercise in battle,

John, the interdict laid upon England and Magna | right to excommunicate, and it is the moral power Have been turned out to graze with cattle."

Charta, expressly claim, by words, the power as and terror of personal excommunication, the exTrue it is, sir, that the “thunders of the Vati- || given by God to St. Peter, “ lo build and pull ercise of which this country has to dread. In can” no longer shook the corners of the earth. The down kingdoms.” (Hume, 299.)

reference to deposing monarchs, the Church might Pope sat in his quiet court, seemingly feeble in If the power is given by God, what right has even safely surrender the power to depose, and let every respect, as if waiting for a gentle and im- the Pope to surrender it? He would be faithless it all rest upon the divine right to excommuni. mortalizing martyrdom. He who yesterday had

to surrender it. “He is infallible,” says the cate. According to the showing of the gentleman been the builder of kingdoms, the maker of mon

Church. Therefore he cannot err. Therefore he from Pennsylvania, "excommunication, unless rearchs, and the destroyer of constitutions, was cannot surrender a divine right. Therefore he has moved within a year, was to assist in working out now the weakest of mankind. But we find him not surrendered it. Therefore the proposition of || depositions." shaking his puny arm over Henry the Eighth, and the honorable gentleman from_Massachusetts, The gentleman admits that he believes in all the grinding his teeth at Queen Elizabeth.

[Mr. Banks,}" that the Roman Pontiff has never, religious dogmas of the Romish Church. He says: Impotent old man! He could find but one per. in any authoritative form, disclaimed the right,' I acknowledge all my obligations to the Church of


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which I am an humble member, and I recognize all the “ In the early part of my remarks I took occasion to say and work. Shall the lion rely on his strength rights of the venerable head of that Church to the spiritual what would be my course, if, by any remarkable-but really and not use his muscles? Then the lamb could deference of ils children; and I desire that no part of what impossible-concurrence of circumstances, the army and I may say, or wbat I may concede, in my remarks, may navy of the Pope should invade ihe country."

devour him. Sir, there is a practicability in all be considered as yielding a single dogma of the Catholic

these Divine injunctions, which is well illustrated

If the invasion of the United States, by the Pope, || by the lives of ihe reformers, in the sleepless vigiChurch. I believe all that that Church believes and teaches as religious dogmas." with an army and navy, is an impossibility, what

lance and active energy of their labors. This The gentleman declares " that he would oppose

virtue is there in this ostentatious display of patri- practicability is more humorously carried out by the invading army and navy of the Pope, were otism? The gentleman fortifies himself by refer

Cromwell in his great battles. That renowned such a thing to occur!” But the Pope does not ring to the remarks of Bishop England. That

commander always went into battle with a prayer war with armies and navies." He comes not learned and eloquent prelate said:

to God-but not a prayer merely-his words with "all the pride, and pomp, and circumstance “But if the Pope were to declare war against America,

Bless God and PICK YOUR FLINTS.It was and any Roman Catholic, under the pretext of spiritual of glorious war." His excommunication is the obedience, was to resuse to oppose this iemporal aggressor,

by this practical working of his faith, with his ceaseonly eword he needs—his armies are the innuhe would deserve to be punished for his refusal."

less vigilance and activity, that he was enabled merous hosts of superstition, whose name is

In the understanding of the gentleman from

to effect a revolution which made his name immorlegion, which come thronging the atmosphere of

tal, and aided in grafting many branches of freedom the imagination. The very daggers" of the Pennsylvania, this means: " If the Pope should declare war against the United States--which is

on the great tree of English liberty. And to this air, which appall the firmest heart, unnerve the really an impossibility”—any Roman Catholic who | practical working of the Divine injunctions, I trust stoutest body, and paralyze the strongest intellect. should refuse to oppose the Pope—though it would

ihat all Protestants will bend their energies, and Will the gentleman say that against an excommunication he would dare to raise his head, his hand, I deserve to be punished !” There is certainly very be impossible for the Pope to do such a thing—would

not be deluded by any dream of fancied security.

The Protestant clergy are God-appointed senuor his voice? No, sir He yields not one of the religious dogmas of the Church. Would he not

little danger of any man being punished for dis- nels. I warn them not to be luiled to sleep; I obeying his Government in an order which could

warn them by the fate of Alectryon; I warn them be liable, now, while a member of Congress, were he to commit evil, to be excommunicated, as a

only be given to him upon the happening of an im- | by the fate of Argos; I warn them by the fate of possibility:

the unprofitable servant. person, by the Bishop of his Church? Certainly. Sir, I do not doubt the patriotism of the honor

NO LAW PROPOSED AGAINST CATHOLICS. If excommunicated, would not all Roman Cath

able gentleman from Pennsylvania, (Mr. CHAND- But we are told that the Constitution declares olics be obliged to refuse him meat or bread, or

LER.) I only regret that he has involved it in so that “no religious test shall ever be required as a countenance, or shelter? and would it not be their

much mystery, and expressed it in such dubious qualification to any ofice or public trust under the duty to the Church to persecute him? Yes. What

Únited States." phrases. then would be his condition? As a Catholic, his

Also in the first article of the spirit would be prostrated, his mind would be


amendments to the Constitution, it is declared "that unhinged; his soul would be crushed; an Ameri- The church gives to her Bishops and Arch

Congress shall make no law respecting an estab

lishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercan Congressman would be denied entrance into bishops, the right of mental reservations in oaths.

cise thereof." the lowest Catholic hovel in the purlieus of Wash- | The Archbishop of Canterbury, the invincible

What is the meaning of this ? It ington. Thomas â Becket, swore to the constitutions of religious test a qualification for office. And it leaves

means that Congress shall pass no law making a Suppose the gentleman was President of the United States and his name, I believe, has been gally, with good faith, and wilhout fraud or reserve." every individual free to say that he will or will not honorably mentioned in that connection—as a man 11. Hume, 211.) He afterwards refused to keep his gious principles or holds a certain religious creed.

vote for a man for office who professes certain relihe would still be liable to excommunication by an oath, and when upbraided by the other bishops of

Does the American party propose to enact any American Bishop! And in his person the habita- || England he said he had, indeed, subscribed the

law to exclude from office Roman Catholics ? No, tion of the President would be liable to become a constitutions legally, with good faith, and without

sir. It says for its members, we will not vote whited sepulcher! and the Chief Magistracy of fraud or reserve; but in these words was virtually im- for Roman Catholics; and when we get the power, this Union would be groveling in the dust at the plied a salvo for the rights of their ORDER, which, foot of the Roman Catholic power.

we will, as a party, turn out Roman Catholics, So it is of no being connected with the cause of God and His

and put in Protestant natives, as a party rule-a moment whether the Pope claims the right to de- | Church, could never be relinquished by their oalls and

rule which has been exercised time out of mind pose or not, if, under the terrors of excommuni- l) engagements.' (1. Hume, 214.) cation, the mysterious and prostrating powers of The gentleman from Pennsylvania shows us

by the Democratic and Whig parties in this counthe Church can be as well and effectually put to


You may call it proscription, if you choose; that the late Bishop England held a contrary docwork. trine in the United States. Be it so. But when

but party proscription has been made respectable,

as a rule of action, by both the great defunct parI have already spoken to the desolating effect of the opinions of that learned and eloquent prelate | ties. an excommunication. We cannot well imagine shall have perished; when his name shall occupy

I have sworn, upon more occasions than one, to its extent. And I cannot forbear, in this connec- but a bare inch in the compressed volume of re

support the Constitution of the United States, and tion, to refer to an instance of the powers of a nown, when the last paragraph of his remem

there is no clause in it for which I have more revpriest, in this country, over a member of his con- brance shall have been, by the moths of ages,

erence than that which secures to all men the freegregation. I give it as I find it in a newspaper, | entirely eaten out of the encyclopedias of posterity, the and do not, of course, vouch for its accuracy:

dom of religious opinion. The American party name and fame of Thomas à Becket will stand

will never infringe that sacred clause of the Con“SINGULAR PROCEEDINGS IN A ROMAN CATHOLIC immortal in the archives of the Vatican, and in the

stitution. CHURCH IN JERSEY City.-We have already mentioned history of the world, as a great intellectual cliff, freedom of religious opinion! It wars against the

The war it wages is a war for the the differences between Father Kelley, the Priest of St. from which the vain waters of oblivion, age Peter's Church, in Jersey City, and the officers of the Montgomery Guards, the former having, on several occa- age, recede in their fruitless efforts at submersion. tyranny of priestcraft; and aspires to ihe privi

lege of laying a pure Bible before the laity of the sions, denounced the latter from the altar for alleged viola

This great Archbishop may be called the prac

Roman Catholic Church; and demands that they tions of the church relations.

tical father of the Jesuits. He has never been “ We learn that on Sunday, at last prayers, Captain

be permitted to read and interpret. It aspires to condemned; his doctrines never disavowed; his Farrell, of the Guards, entered his peio in St. Peter's, from

a reformation of the schools. which he had been previously forbidden by the priest, Father practice authorizes theirs. Then, sir, when this

We do not wish American children to be taught J. Kelley. This act was the cause of much excitement.

arm of the Roman Catholic Church is

in The priest appearing before the altar, and adilressing the America, tell me not there is no danger! This is Scriptures, and to believe in apostolic and eccle.

from their infancy to reject portions of the sacred congregation, stated that he would not proceed with the ser- the song of the Siren. I warn my countrymensiastical traditions," as their faith requires, as will vices until peu No. 31 (Captain Farrell's) was vacated. The captain hesitated to remove, but, at the urgent solicita

to be armed. Let every Protestant make himself be seen from this extract from the Roman Catholic tion of some of the congregation, he finally walked out of a sentinel on the watch towers of liberty. his pew, at which most of the members of the congrega- Yet, in the face of all this, we are told that there

prayer book: tion, and members of the Guard, of which he is commander,

“I most fully admit and embrace Apostolic and ecclesiis no necessity for this secret order of Americans ! astical TRADITIONS: became highly excited, and insisted on his returning and

I also admit the sacred Scriptures, taking possession of his pew. The captain was prevailed

The eloquent and distinguished statesman of Vir- ACCORDING TO THE SENSE IN WHICH OUR HOLY MOTHER, upon 10 reenter the pew, but the priest still persisting in his ginia, Mr. Wise, tells us, speaking of the Protestdetermination not to proceed with the services unül said ant clergy : “ They are as a whole church militant, pew was vacated, the captain finally yielded his post and retired. The service then proceeded.”

with their armor bright.” They are zealous, jeal

ous, watchful, and organized, banded together ING TO THE UNANIMOUS CONSENT OF THE FATHERS." I do not know that Captain F. was a member against Papacy. They are learned, active, and It is time to dissipate these blind teachings. It of the Church. It is sufficient to know that the politic, too, as any brotherhood of Monks." is time the young mind should be allowed to see priest, surrounded by the gorgeous and imposing They need no such political organization to the beauty of thought, the value of logic, the gewgaws of his altar, possessed the moral power defend their faith." " In the name of their reli- power of reason, the necessity of investigation. to drive a freeman from his pew! This is ex- gion," he exclaims, I ask, why not rely on God.What kind of freedom of religious opinion is communication in miniature !

Sir, they have no right to rely on God alone. | it, when the child is taught from infancy to think Then what virtue is there in the protestation of They are God-appointed sentinels.

alone through the priest ? When Protestant books. patriotism which the honorable gentleman so em. Not to the slothful, not to the indolent, not to primmers, and catechisms are torn from the hand phatically makes? It did not extend to the moral the idle and lazy of his followers does God give of the child, and burned as heretical? When power of the Pope; and even, in another sense, the his rewards. The servant who hid his talent and every fibre of the young intellect is strung with gentleman, in effect, takes it back.

returned it unimproved to his master, was driven | the scorpions of superstition overpoweringly imHis protestation of patriotism is made-as he | away. He who had improved it, was made mas- posed by the gorgeous displays at the Catholic admits in the face of what he says is " really an ter over many things, and admitted to enter into altar of paintings, and music, and symbols. impossibility.' What good is there in making the service of the lord.

I propose no law to invade the sanctity of the pledges against an impossibility ? Here are his " Watch and pray,” is the Divine injunction; | Roman Catholic altar-or to touch, with rudo words:

which, if it needs any interpretation, means, nors hands, the sacerdotal robe. I invoke public opinion.


330 CONG....20 Sess.

Georgia and OhioMr. Stephens, of Georgia.


I would expose its absurdities, rebuke its idol. but I did not choose to reply in that way to any gentleman states it! If he cannot or does not wish atries, ridicule its mockeries. Sir, to see the un- matter, except such points as were drawn out in to meet me on the ground that the South asks but lettered PERUVIAN bowing and kneeling to the sun, the debate between us on this floor, in that speech. few favors, as I stated it, and that the North does and worshiping it as the Great God of light-an I chose to reply here, and in the way. I now propose

look more to the Government for its fostering care admitted omnipotence—is not surprising; nay, sir, to do. This is what I was just going to state if I to protect its various interests than the South does, there is something awfully solemn, grand, and had not been interrupted. As to the amplification | very well, I will meet him on his own ground. If ennobling in the superstition. It exhibits the open of his speech, I do not object. I did not state the he cannot answer my position, but must size my and humble admission ofan over-ruling Divinity. | fact in the spirit of objection. It is not to that point argument so as to make it stand as he has it, that But to see the best educated men of the country I was speaking. But this was my object in stating "the South asks nothing, and gets nothing," I bowing down to images and baptising bells, to scare the fact: Inasmuch as, in the speech published, I will come down even to his ground, so far as his away, with their sounds, the evil spirits of the air, is, I do appear to have appeared and taken part in a answer is concerned. indeed, humiliating!

discussion with the gentleman on some points; and, The gentleman says, in the first place, putting Sir, we do not wish our children taught that a || inasmuch as there are many matters elaborated the language in my mouth, “The South asks bell can scare away the devil. We wish to teach in the published speech, which are inserted before nothing, gets nothing;” and he then replies “CerAmerican wives that their husbands are their only | my answers to the gentleman's interrogatories, | tainly not," and refers us to the acquisition of confessors; American children that their fathers it may, to some not aware of the reason, seem Louisiana. And then, putting the words in my and mothers are their only confessors. To correct strange that I made no reply to the gentleman || mouth, again he says: “ The South asks noththese evils we invoke public opinion, and proclaim upon these points. It is for this reason I made ing. that we intend to practice party proscription. We the statement, and it is for the purpose of reply- "The South asks nothing! In 1803, we paid fifteen ask no law; but give us a pure ballot box.

ing to the gentleman's statistics, I now desire to millions to get Louisiana. And let no native suppose that he has before

occupy some of the time of the committee. I do " The South asks nothing" In 1819, we paid five milhim an easy task. The Roman Catholic Church not object to the gentleman's amplification. Not

lions to get Florida.

6 * The South asks nothing!" In 1845, her policy brought has already acquired immense power in America. at all, sir. But, sir, I have something to say in Texas into the Union, with a promise that she might carve Their system is, never to relinquish an inch of soil. reply to these statistics, which were not exhibited herself up into five states. They do not build log cabins io preach in; they || by the gentleman on the floor. I have, sir, a great « * The South asks nothing! Her Texas annexation make no perishable plank houses to preach in. | deal to say in reply to them; and I therefore avail

brought the war with Mexico, and more territory was de

manded as the fruits of that war." » They are not humble enough for that. They myself of this opportunity-the earliest that I leave that to the heretical Methodist, Baptist, have had to reply to them. I have more to say I think he does great injustice to the North Presbyterian, and others. In their swaggering in reply to them, much more than I can speak in when he says that the acquisition of Louisiana pride, they forget that the fathers of the Church one hour, the limited time that I have.

was for the exclusive benefit of the South. were “fishermen” and “tent-makers." When But, sir, before going into the statistics given in Mr. CAMPBELL. It is true that, at the time they build an edifice, its foundation is laid deep in the forepart of the gentleman's speech, in which I made a reply to the gentleman from Georgia, I American soil, and its spires rise high into the he attempted to reply to some of the positions || caught the idea which he presented, that the South American heavens. They are already millions ! assumed by me in answer to the gentleman from asked nothing, from his manner of expression, This enemy is formidable. Then let every man Indiana, (Mr. Mace,] I wish to state a few things and those were the words which I used at the tiine go to work-let every Protestant be a sentinel on in passing; and I will here say that, so far as my as they were reported. the watch-towers of liberty.

consistency is concerned, (the main object of the Mr. STEPHENS. I cannot yield to the gengentleman's attack,) I have nothing now to add tleman unless he be very brief.

to what I have heretofore said. My record may Mr. CAMPBELL. I call the attention of the GEORGIA AND OHIO AGAIN.

stand as it is made up. I have ne desire to change gentleman to what he did say. He did say, as

or modify it in the least; not even to cross a t or reported, “all that we ask of you is to keep your MR. STEPHENS, IN REPLY TO MR. || dot an i. By it, as it stands, I am willing to abide hands out of our pockets. That is all the South CAMPBELL,

while living, and by it to abide when dead. It asks, and we do not even get that."

was not made for a day, or for an election, but for Mr. STEPHENS. Yes, sir. The gentleman IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, all time to come. But to proceed.

will find not only those words, but others in my January 15, 1855.

The gentleman from Ohio, in the tenor of his speech “ as reported,” all going to establish the The House being in the Committee of the Whole

argument, makes me use language which I did not leading point in that part of the argument, that

utter on this floor-or, at least, he seems to put on the state of the Union on the Pacific railroad

the South asked but " few favors” compared with words into my mouth that I did not use. Now, || the wants of the North. That was my position, bill

when an argument is not stated fairly, it argues and not that we asked “nothing" or goi"nothMr. STEPHENS, of Georgia, said:

either a want of comprehension, or a consciousness | ing:” Some of these favors I specified; but, in the Mr. CHAIRMAN: I do not propose to discuss the l of the want of capacity or ability to answer it on main, I asserted, or meant, in substance, to assert, Pacific railroad bill. Some weeks ago, sir, the the part of one who thus fails fairly to present it. as every one well understood, that the greatest gentleman from Indiana (Mr. Mace] gave notice | Either alternative does not bespeak much for the desire of the South was, that the General Governof his intention to introduce in this House a bill formidable qualities of an opponent. I have, Mr. ment would keep its hands out of her pockets. And to prohibit slavery in Kansas and Nebraska, and Chairman, too high a regard for the intelligence this is true; and the gentleman did not attempt to accompanied that notice with a speech, to which 1 of the gentleman, to think that he did not under- | reply to it, except as I have stated. I come now, replied. To the remarks then submitted by me, stand my argument. I believe that his object was then, to the gentleman's reply to the position that che honorable gentleman from Ohio (Mr. Camp- rather to size the argument to his capacity to reply | the South “asks nothing." "To this he says, "that BELL) made a reply. That speech of the gentle- to it, as he supposed.

we paid $15,000,000 for Louisiana.” To this I man from Ohio has been, according to the notice For instance, Mr. Chairman, the gentleman say, it was not the South alone that secured the which he gave, considerably amplified and elab- says, in his speech,“ we are told that the South acquisition of Louisiana. Nor was it alone" for orated, as it appears in the Globe. It is to that gets nothing, that the South asks nothing." Now, the benefit of the South. There were but twentyamplified and elaborated speech that I intend to sir, in my reply to the gentleman from Indiana, three votes in this House against that acquisition. devote what I have to say on this occasion. [Mr. MÁCE,] 'I spoke of the great fact, well || It was a national acquisition. Sustained by national

Mr. CAMPBELL. It is very true, Mr. Chair- || known, living, and “ fixed fact," that the indus- men from all sections, there was hardly a show of man, as the gentleman from Georgia (Mr. Ste- trial pursuits of the South do not, in the main, opposition to it from any quarter. I should supPHENS) remarks, that I did, pursuant to notice, I look for the protection or fostering care of the pose that Ohio would be the last State in this amplify, and enlarge my remarks, as is usual, Government, and that the general industrial pur- Union to raise her voice against that measure, or under similar circumstances. Still, it is certainly suits of the North do. I did not say that the hold that it was exclusively for the benefit of the but just to me that the gentleman should couple South gets nothing, or that the South asks noth- || South. What would have become of her trade with his notice of the fact, the further truth that I || ing. I said that the South asks but few favors; || and commerce if Louisiana and the mouth of the permitted him to elaborate, just as much as he and I repeat it, sir. Nor am I to be answered by Mississippi were stiil in the hands of Spain or desired, the various remarks made by him during being told that General Jackson and Mr. Clay- France?" If the fifteen millions of money, which the hour allotted to me. I submitted to him all southern men—were in favor of fostering, as far we paid, be the grounds of the gentleman's objecthe notes of that speech, and gave him the oppor- as they could by proper legislation, the interests tion, all that has been more than refunded by the tunity of making, in his remarks, all the altera- of the North. That does not disprove the fact | sale of public lands embraced within the limits of tions that he desired to make. And even after the which I uttered, that the South does not gener- that acquisition. These sales, up to this time, proof-sheets were prepared, I again extended the ally look to the Government for protection, and have amounted to $25,928,732 23, besides what same courtesy to the gentleman, or rather, I made that the North does. Sir, it rather proves the is yet to be realized from the hundreds of thouthe proposition to him, that he might amplify just opposite, and confirms my statement. Because I

sands of square miles yet to be sold. So the as much as he desired. I wish this statement to stated that the industrial pursuits of the North fifteen millions was no bonus to the South, even go with the suggestion of the gentleman from look to the Government for protection, is that state- if the South had carried the measure for their Georgia.

ment disproved by the fact that southern men, or own benefit. Mr. STEPHENS. If the gentleman has no even myself, have voted to favor those interests, Again, was the acquisition of that territory other more pertinent interruption to make during as far as was consistent with public duty ? So far made to extend the southern area of the country? my remarks, I trust he will permit me to proceed from disproving, it tends rather to establish it

. Let us examine this view of the subject. What without thus encroaching upon my time.

What I stated on this point was in reply to the extent of territory was comprised within the limits It is true, Mr. Chairman, that I revised and gentleman from Indiana, whose tone of argument of Louisiana ? It extended not only far up the corrected that portion of the remarks made by was, that the South carried measures promotive | Mississippi river, to lowa and Minnesota, but myself. It is true that the gentleman submitted of their interest by bluster.

westward to the Rocky mountains even, without the proof-sheet of his speech, as printed, to me, But, sir, to come down to the argument as the now mooting the question, whether Oregon was 330 CONG....2p Sess.

Georgia and OhioMr. Stephens, of Georgia.

Ho. OF Reps.


not then acquired. Grant, for the sake of this of the noble king of the forest; men who never show whether I was right or not. But, sir, as I argument, that Oregon was not then acquired. The met him in open conflict but to be vanquished, have been drawn into saying thus much on this Territory of Louisiana stretched from the ex. and many of whom even quailed from his pres- subject, it may be proper that I should say more. treme south on the Gulf to the extreme north on

I am not for this acquisition upon any plan or parallel 490 of north latitude. All that immense But, sir, let us look, for a moment, to all our principles inconsistent with the strictesi national domain, including Kansas and Nebraska, was part || acquisitions. So far as Louisiana is concerned, honor and national faith. But I am in favor of a of it. Was all this southern territory? The object if the gentleman begrudges the money paid for it, repeal of those laws on our own statute book which of the gentleman from Ohio in alluding to this sub- even if it had not been reimbursed by the sale of make it penal and punishable as a crime of high ject seemed to be to intimate that all this acquisi- | lands, the State of Georgia, alone, has long since | grade for an American citizen to take part in any tion was for the South. But how is the fact? Let more than paid that debt by her munificent grant. revolution that may take place in Cuba-any us look at it. By this acquisition, taking all the She ceded to the United States that large territory effort of the people there to throw off Spanish Indian territory into account, the South acquired out of which the two flourishing States—Alabama || domination and oppression ? only 231,960 square miles, while the North got and Mississippi-have since been made; out of If the people of Cuba were permitted to exerby it 667,599 square miles! Is this the way that which, and from which, you have realized, by cise their own free will and volition, unawed by the South is to be taunted? When the very ac- sale of lands, much more than the whole cost of the superior power of Spain, as I am informed quisition, held up as the taunt brought more than Louisiana. I have now before me a table of the and believe, they would not remain a day, much double the extent of territory to the North than | proceeds of the sale of the public lands in the less a month or year, longer, under the heavy it did to the South !

States of Alabama and Mississippi. It amounts to taxes, burdens, and exactions of that country Again, in the acquisition of Florida, the gentle | $32,205,612 18; the consideration paid to Georgia which now claims their allegiance only to opman from Ohio says that the South carried that was $1,250,000; with the extinguishment of the press and to plunder them. And if they do thus measure at a cost of $5,000,000. This is the Indian title within her own limits; all this amounted desire to throw off the yoke of their oppressors, tenor of his argument. Sir, this measure was not to about $11,000,000; so that if it be the amount | why should we punish American citizens for carried by the South, nor for the South exclu- of money that lays heavily upon his breast, it may no reason but aiding them in their patriotic alsively. There was not even a division in this be some consolation to the gentleman to know tempt? Why should we keep the peace for Spain? House on the question. As to the extent of the that from this grant by Georgia, a southern State, When did she, by her conduct towards us, put us acquisition, if we did not get Oregon when we you have a clear gain of over $20,000,000. under such obligations? Was it when she held acquired Louisiana, we certainly acquired it when But, let us look at all our acquisitions. There the mouth of the Mississippi, or Florida ? Was we purchased Florida. It was by the treaty then are now, according to the census report, belonging it when she armed the savages of the frontiers made that we got Spain's relinquishment to Oregon. to the United States 2,936,166 square miles of against our undefended people? Was it when she The North, by this measure, got 308,052 square | territory, including States old and new, as well as

nurtured in her bosom such enemies to our peace miles of territory, including the Territories of Or- Territories. There have been acquired, outside -such wretches as Ambrister and Arbuthnotegon and Washington, while the South got only of the old thirteen States, 2,599,105 square miles. whom General Jackson had to hang without judge the State of Florida, 59,268 square miles. If the Of all these 2,599,105 square miles thus acquired, or jury? When, I say, did Spain, by her comily South carried this question by her votes, I ask there lies north of the line of 360 30', 1,845,701 and good neighborhood, put us under an obliwere those who gave the votes sectional in their square miles, and there lies south of it but 753,404 gation to punish our citizens for aiding the native policy? Did not the South, if that be the gentle- square miles. Here, sir, take Louisiana, take Cubans not only to rid themselves of present man's argument, gain quite as much, nay, more, Florida, take Texas, take all our acquisitions, heavy and onerous burdens and unjust imposi. nay, double, nay, more than five times as much the Georgia and other State grants or cessions, || tions, but to prevent that ultimate destiny which territory for the North in that acquisition, as she leaving out the Mesilla Valley, acquired at the last French and English policy has concocted for obtained for herself? Again, in the acquisition session of Congress, which is a small item, and them? In this matter® I may have a little more of Texas, considering the Mexican war as part you see this astounding fact, in answer to the sympathy for my own race than the gentleman of that proceeding, as the gentleman does, the remarks of the gentleman on this point, that has.' Why should we hold while Spain skins? South only secured 237,504 square miles, while | 1,845,701 square miles of these acquisitions lie | I feel no disposition to stand by and see one of the the North secured 632,157 square miles, including north of 360 30', and only 753,404 lie south of it! | fairest islands of the world the Queen of the An-r California, New Mexico, and Utah.

If all north of 360 30' is to be considered northern | Lilles—despoiled, rifled, and plundered, and then The gentleman says, that the North is opposed | territory, then the North has got by acquisition made a St. Domingo or a Jamaica of, any more to acquisitions; that she never looks outward, she more than double what the South has !

than I would to see a stately ship, well freighted, looks inward; and that while the South is always Will the gentleman, then, pretend to answer pillaged by pirates, scuttled, and then sent adrift looking to the extension of territory, the North me, when I say, that the South asks but few favors, io sink, without one hand to save. This, sir, is is looking to the improvement of what we have. | by pointing to these acquisitions? Were these pretty much the present condition of Cuba. She This, so far as looking to acquisition is concerned, especial, peculiar, and great favors to the South ? is now undergoing the pillaging process; how soon I think, is not true of the North entirely. It When I have shown that they were carried by | she will be scuttled and sent adrift to sink I know may be true of some men there. But it is not || patriots from all sections of the Union, and that not. Sir, Mr. Webster, as early as the delivery true of all her statesmen. In the early history more than double the square miles acquired north of his Panama speech, intimated very strongly of this country, there were men at the North, of that line which is usually referred to as defining that the policy of this country never would or and one in particular, who had no such circum- || northern and southern limits?-am I, I say, to be could allow Cuba to pass into other hands than scribed views as those attributed to the North thus answered in the face of these facts ?' Sir, if those of Spain. Mr. Everett in his celebrated and generally. The man to whom I allude stands the wild boy in the forest, with his bow and ar- most masterly letter on the proposed tri-party first, in my opinion, of all the northern states- were vain enough to imagine that he could treaty, very clearly follows up the same views. men of his day. Indeed, he stands, in my judg. bring down the moon by the prowess of his arms And Mr. Clay is generally understood to have ment, amongst the men of his day-next to him as a huntsman, and should as vainly make the at- maintained, until the day of his death, that this who has no equal in any age or country.

That tempt, he would not come further short of his mark country ought to go to war_rather than permit man hailed from New York, and for strength of than the gentleman from Ohio does by letting fiy | Cuba to fall into the hands of England. But who, judgment, for profound thought, for far-seeing such a shaft as this, either at me or my argument. sir, would not infinitely prefer to see England hold statesmanship he has never been equaled by any But again, he asks, who was it, at the last ses- it, than to see her policy carried out of extirpating of the illustrious men since brought upon the pub- |sion of Congress, that desired to place in the the white race there and filling the island with lic arena by that honored State. That man, sir, || hands of the President $10,000,000 for the ac- Guinea negroes and African savages? If the first was Alexander Hamilton; and at the formation of quisition of Cuba? I can say to him that I did | would justify a national war, the latter may, in our Constitution, after that provision in the ori- not, and if there is any gentleman upon this floor my opinion, much more justify us in barely perginal draft, that new States to be formed out of ter- from the South that did, I did not know it. Imitting such of our citizens, as see fit, to prevent it, ritory then belonging to the United States might || know of no such movement in this House, either | if they can. If such a course should bring acqui. be admitted into the Union, was 80 modified as to at midnight or open day, or any other period of sition by the free choice of the people of Cuba, leave out the restriction, so that other States (not the twenty-four hours. But I tell the gentleman, without consulting Spain, I say let ii bring it. It confining it to the then territory of the Union) || in passing, as he has alluded to Cuba, that I am is a maiter in which I should be governed much might come in, Mr. Hamilton is said to have for the acquisition of that island. I believe its more by the wishes of the people of Cuba than the expressed the opinion, with approbation, that, in || acquisition would promote the best interest of the interests of Spain. time, we should get Florida, Louisiana, Texas, island and of this country; and that it would pro- Our trade with Cuba is now large; but this Mexico, and even ultiinately squint towards South mote the interest of Ohio more than of Georgia. | would be greatly augmented if it were part of this America. That was the man, sir, who, in his I am not governed by sectional feelings or inter- country, and under our laws. We should not day, was, every inch of him, a “Sampson in the ests on this question. Its acquisition would ad. || only be relieved of the heavy duties paid on our field, and a Solomon in council.” Nay, more; vance the interests of both countries; and it would exports there, but the productions of the island he was one of those gifted geniuses who caught | advance the interest of the North quite as much, consumed in this country would be largely infrom the “sunrise of life" that "mystical lore" || if not more, than the South, so far as its trade creased, and her capacity to consume our pro which enabled him to see those coming events and its commerce is concerned. But I was not, | ducts, agricultural and manufactured, be increased which were casting their “ shadows before.” and am not, for putting $10,000,000, or any other | in the same ratio. I have a document before me

I take this occasion thus to speak of Mr. Ham- || sum, in the hands of this Administration to buy | that gives the amount of duty levied and paid now ilton, because he is a most striking exception to it. I do not believe that they desire it. I have on our exports there upon being introduced into the gentleman's remark, and, also, because in bis never believed that it was either their wish or the island. On beef is $3 14 per barrel; pork, day it suited the purposes of many of his cotem- policy to obtain it, as several of the most ardent $4 89 per barrel; hams, $3 14; lard, $4 19; lumporaries to detract from his merits, his name, and friends of Cuba on this floor very well know. I ber, $5 60; hoops, $8 39; coaches, $261. But I his character; men who barked at his heels, just | gave them this opinion long ago, when some of cannot read all. The same docunient gives the as the wolves and the hyenas do, upon the track II them questioned iis correctness. The sequel will Il price of a cargo, shipped from New Orleans to


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