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• SENATE. if á vessel was out fourteen or seventeen days. I || brought here by the improper action of the offi- two years. But on the other hand, the great rivals have not gone into a calculation; but I think very cers of this Government. Here is one thing which of the company are withdrawn; the British have likely that if the Post Office Department in thai, has been done of late which was never done before. i required the Cunard steamers in the east, and as in all other contracts-taking in view all the The appropriations are put into a separate bill. while the Collins line have not a heavy competicasualties and difficulties—had advertised for the || You appropriate for the rest of the Post Office tion, it is proposed to keep up the entire allowance. performance of the service in the time that the affairs of the country in the General Post Office Surely it would be no violation of the contract 10 Collins line perform it, it could have been obtained | appropriation bill; but for this, and similar lines, terminate it. But that is not even proposed. All ât a less sum than is paid to them, and at a sum in order that they may be constantly under the that is asked is, that we retain in our hands the which would pay a reasonable profit to the con- threatening attitude of some of the officers of this power to give the notice. Suppose the Cunarders tractors.

Government, or some one of the committees of should be withdrawn entirely; suppose the Collins Therefore, I say, Mr. President, that I have Congress, you make a separate bill, and you give line should not have the competition; the only heard no good reason given why we should part | notice that you are going to fight them, you have excuse upon which the extra was ever given, was with the power which we now have of terminat- been fighting them, because you can lose that bill to enable them to compete with that company; ing the contract. What is it? Why, that Con- and not stop the wheels of the Government. The and yet you propose to iake away from Congress grens may hereafter refuse this condition of the whole plan has been carried out most ingeniously the power to give notice, and put an end to the contract; and, now, when one third of this body | by the Government, either through committees of allowance, at the very time that the compensation are about to return to their constituents, and when Congress, or through officers of the Government. || is being diminished, when everything shows that this House of Representatives is to be succeeded Put these appropriations into the general appro- | it cannot long be formidable. by another House, why do they, at this late hour priation bill, where they belong, and you will not Mr. SEWARD. The Senate has been several of the session, desire to take from their successors find this company threatened every year with anni- times to-day reminded that at the last session of that just control, which has been secured by their hilation.

Congress l committed what seemed to be if not predecessors, over this contract, to which the Thus much I have thought it due, eminently an abuse, at least an impropriety, not in saying too country is entitled? I know of no good reason, I due, in justification of these men, to say; and that much, but talking too long, in favor of the Collins and cannot vote for it.

is all I care about it. If Congress sees fit to term- line of steamers. I plead, in extenuation of that Mr. STUART. There are two or three points inate the contract, to carry out the ideas of the course, that the Senate, in the night before the in which I desire to correct the honorable Senator 1 Senator from Georgia, to take the ships, to blot || adjournment, after a long debate, had sustained from Georgia. I do not wish to fotlow him in the out the line, 1, sir, will submit without a single the views which I then entertained, and which I line of his argument; but, sir, in the first-place, he regret. I can bear that loss as well as the Senator now entertain; and that the next day, just before is mistaken in supposing that he is correct when himself or anybody else can bear it. I shall vote the final close of the session, when Senators were he says that this line has come here again. Sir, | against it, believing it to be against the fundamen- || impatient to leave, and were leaving rapidly, it the Postmaster General, in his annual report, | tal interests of this Government. Sir, the history became doubtful whether the Senate, as it remainrecommended Congress to give the notice. li was of this transaction will show that these individuals | ed constituted, would not renounce those viewa. a recommendation which he gave no reason for have been compelled to come here, and resist this | Therefore I deemed it necessary to guard against making, except that he thought the price paid to oppression, this violation of what was a plain un- what would have been a surprise upon the mathe line was too large. Congress some two years derstanding; that is to say, so long as you perform jority of the Senate, who had voted in accordance ago passed upon that question and decided upon the twenty-six trips in a manner satisfactory, to with those views on the night before. I hope it is it. 'The Postmaster General having made that the Government and the community, the question now a sufficient vindication of that action on my recommendation, the company were bound to of your compensation is settled. The Postmaster | part, that the Senate itself, when it came together come here, and resist the plain violation of an General says, in substance, “ they have performed this session, confirmed those same views, and that agreement into which they had entered with the their duty; they are the only company that have the House of Representatives also, when it assemGovernment.

done it; and yet I recommend Congress to give bled this session, reconsidered its own position, Again, sir, the Senator says that he is obliged notice to terminate the extra compensation, be and adopted that to which I had labored so eardto take the statements of this Postmaster Gen- cause I think it is too much." I say Congress estly to bring the Senate. Having excused that eral as true, because he says if they are not true, settled that question when they granted the com- impropriety, I will not now commit another abuse he has got the money, and does not show what pensation.

by speaking long upon this subject. I have sent he has done with it. Now, sir, that is another Mr. HUNTER. I am not disposed to speak | for an honorable and distinguished Senator, of mistake. The difficulty is that the Postmaster on this subject, for I am very anxious to have the advanced age, who, I hope, will be here in a few General does not credit his income to the persons | question taken; but it is an entire mistake to say | moments, Mr. Cass.) I rise merely to fill up a who earn it.

that Congress intended, when it gave the addi- || gap of time; and I know that such is the respect Mr. TOOMBS. Then he does not understand tional compensation, that the company should for that Senator entertained here that I shall be his business.

have it so long as they, performed their duties. | excused for this intrusion. Mr. STUART. I say he does not credit what Not at all. It was said that they were not making The Senator from Georgia (Mr. ToomBs) has he receives from Boston, Philadelphia, and Cali- | enough to enable them to compete with the Cunard certainly convinced me, and no doubt every one fornia to the company that earns it. li goes into line; it was proposed to give the additional allow- else, that he is most sincere and in earnest in op. the Treasury; it passes to the credit of "' amount ance to enable them to do so, and it was expressly | posing this measure; but I think if he would rereceived from Philadelphia," "amount received provided that the additional allowance should last view his own positions, he would not be satisfied from Boston,” &c.; but by not giving the credit iwo years, and after that that Congress might put with them, after he should have discovered how to the Collins line, for the amount received from an end to it. What was to be the reason for put- broad and how foreign is the ground that he has it, he does not show where it came from. Sir, ting an end to it? The moment they found they occupied. there is no money stolen from the Treasury as could carry on the business without the additional Sir, I think the honorable Senator from Con. the Senator fain would have us believe.

allowance, there being no further necessity for it, || necticut stated this case with admirable precision Mr. TOOMBS. Not at all." they might put an end to it.

and accuracy. It is just exactly this: Here is a ME. STUART. The whole difficulty is that Mr. RUSK. I desire to put a question to the contract on which the Government owes $858,000, he does not credit the sources that earned it. The honorable Senator from Virginia. I desire to ask and here is an annual appropriation bill, in which Senator says, again, that this bill is taking from him if Congress did not try to set aside this allow- || it is proposed to appropriale money to pay that the power of Congress the right to terminate this ance before the two years were out ?

sum of $858,000. No one here disputes that contract. Not at all, sir. Congress possesses Mr. HUNTER. Congress did not offer to give debt; no one here proposes that we shall with hold the power under the contract to terminate it at any | the notice until at that time when the notice mighe | the money for any cause whatever; 110 one promoment, and take the ships and pay for them, ard have been given, in my opinion, according to the poses that we shall pay a cent less than the no less will they have that power by refusing to law, because, sir, the six months notice which was $858,000. So far we are all agreed. It is money adopt the amendment. It simply affects the extra required, if given at the time it was proposed to that is due by contract, and the contract itself can compensation, and nothing else.

have been given, would have been after the two not now be wisely, justly, or properly reviewed. The Senator says, again, that he would have the years had elapsed, so that they did not violate the So the money is due. What remains Why, in persons pay for the mail service who receive its

contract in that regard. At any rate it was not making the appropriation to pay that sum, the benefits. That is one of the theories which are given; this bill of the last session was defeated, House of Representatives, which originates bills very beautiful in the abstract, but utterly imprac- and defeated by a friend of the line, who spoke of this kind, which originated the bills at the last ticable to be carried out. It is one of the theories || against time, as is well known.

session, at this session, and must originate them that would cut off several States of this Union Mr. RUSK. That was before the two years at every session-has come to the conviction that from the benefits of the mail service, because in expired.

it would be wise and just to repeal a clause in the looking over the returns you will find several Mr. HUNTER. No, sir; that was before the law under which thai contract was made, which States that do not pay as much in the way of post- || two years expired, but the notice might have been authorized Congress to give notice, at its discreages as is paid for their service. But, sir, they given within the two years, provided the compen- tion, after the period of iwo years, of a purpose are just as much entitled to the mail service as the sation did not terminate until after the two years, to discontinue the contract. That is all. The rest! I say it is a theory which would be very and no one contemplated terminating the extra House propose that we shall repeal that clause; fine if you could carry it out, but it is utterly im- compensation, until after two years. Be that as the question is, whether we shall or not. That practicable.

it may, the notice was not given, and the two years || is the whole question. Of all which has been The Senator was set right by me and it was have now elapsed. I say it would be no violation | said beyond that, I have only to say, that it is the only interruption thai I felt myself at liberty of the contract even although the Collins line kept | foreign from the question. to make, for I dislike to make any–with respect the time prescribed, if we were now to refuse to What reasons are given why we should repeal to what I said before. I deny, sir, having said I give the extra allowance. They are on a much this clause? One alone of those reasons is sufthat these persons come here voluntarily and inter- | better footing than they were.' They have en. ficient to satisfy my mind, namely: that on an fere with the legislation of Congress; but they are li joyed its privilege for a long time--for more than I appropriation bill in the last week of the session,

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in the last hours of the fifth day from the close of other source. Capitalists will not furnish the strength, its power, its elegance, its majesty. Sir, the session, it is never wise unnecessarily to raise money to execute a contract which is in perpetual would

you tell me that that proud position which a conflict with the House of Representatives, be- l jeopardy of being canceled by legislative authority: || you occupy would be just as dignified, and that cause, in the first place, you jeopard the passage This, sír, is a just consideration. It is one which you could perform your duties just as well if I of a great bill; and in the next place, you jeopard ought to prevail, and must prevail, against a mere should strip away all that drapery from above the passage of a great many other great and ne- speculative advantage of having power to annul a your head? Would you say that the Senate of cessary bills. Accordingly, we are habitually | contract-a power which you expect never to have the United States would lose nothing in dignity if accustomed to waive additions, stipulations, and occasion to exercise.

I should strike down at a blow that beautiful col. provisions which we should otherwise prefer, in Other considerations, I know, have been ad- | lonade, and bring down that noble dome to the order to secure agreement with the House of duced here in regard to the unpleasant circum. level of the ceilings of barracks in a military etaRepresentatives, and to bring the business of the stances which atiend the advocacy of this bill and tion? Would you say that was an economy in Government to a successful and happy termina- its discussion here. It is said that it brings what Government necessary to be practised by a great tion. All the hazards which can atiend any bill is called a suspicion and a taint upon the purity people? will attend this, if returned to the House of Rep- of Congress. "Sir, it is our misfortune that we Sir, the Collins line is the great mail carrier resentatives; for whatever difference of opinion make an unnecessary stipulation, and reserve in between Europe and America. I shall sustain it there is here, the same difference of opinion, we our hands a power, in consequence of which every cheerfully now, and always, with every contribuknow, would exist there, and would engage that opponent of this scheme about the purlieus of the tion which is necessary, and I shall endeavor to House in long, strenuous, nnd earneet debate; ! Capitol, in the city of New York, through the extend similar lines of communication across the whatever of feeling or of prejudice; whatever of whole Union, all competitors, all enemies, all | Pacific, until we shall have encircled the world passion or of interest, attaches to this question haters of Collins and his prosperity, will come with the couriers of intelligence, and the instruchere, would attend the bill if we send it back there, here and combine together to urge Congress to tions of civil and religious liberty: and it would be jeoparded, and might be lost, discontinue the contract that their own private I have one additional observation, and then I What are the consequences of that? The second ends may be attained. Such as this is the spec- | shall close. We are told that this is a monopoly, time the faiih of the Government is broken, and tacle which we see before us. Here are your Van- and that it is no way to encourage a steam marine $858,000 due to citizens for services actually ren- derbilts and others, rivals or enemies of the Collins | by creating a monopoly. Sir, it is the way, and dered under a contract, is withheld is not paid. || line, who are pressing upon Congress to exercise the only way, in which you can bring a steam That is bad enough; but besides that, come all the this power of annulling the contract, in order that marine into existence. It is thirty years since entangling consequences to other business. they may have the benefit of it; and when the | Dr. Lardner predicted that steam would never be

To these considerations, what is the reply? It proprietors of the line come forward in great alarm a self-sustaining agent upon the ocean. When the is that we have this power, and we please to keep and peril to defend their rights, they are told that first steamer crossed from Bristol to New York, it. It gratifies us to say that we will not relin- their solicitations impair the dignity and taint the the world derided the short-sightedness of the great quish the power of giving this notice. Why shall atmosphere of Congress!

philosopher. But, sir, what is the fact? Thirty we not? If we are wise men, we will retain it, only Let us put an end, then, to these things, by giving years have elapsed, and, although steam is so nébecause it is valuable for something; and if we are up a control which is useless to us, which is in- cessary and useful an agent, it is not yet self-suswise men, we shall give it up if it is not valuable. júrious to the enterprise itself; and my word for taining as a navigating power across the Atlantic, Now, what is it worth? Do we wish to give the it, you will never more hear one whisper of com- nor across any other ocean; and you have your notice now? There is only one honorable Senator || plaint throughout the land about the Collins line. choice either by the Government to aid and suswho proposes to give that notice by virtue of the Sir, I remember the history of this case when it tain steam lines, or to do without them altogether. reservation contained in the contract. The whole was here before. I remember that the same threats | It is true, the time will come when it will not be Senate, comparatively, like the whole House, are and intimidations were offered, the same appre necessary to render this aid; but until that time ready to pay the money already accrued, without hensions and alarms were excited, and the same shall come it is most wise, and just, and prudent giving the notice. The contract has been in force suspicions were shown everywhere in the public to sustain it in this way. Honorable Senators for two years, and the legislation during that time mind; and inembers of Congress were afraid to tell us, if you will withdraw Government patronhas shown that it was not necessary or proper lo vote the allowance which they believed to be just, age you will have enough competitors. Šir, has give the notice heretofore. Then no cause bas because they thought the public would not com- not Government effectually withdrawn its patronexisted heretofore, and none at present exists, for prehend the importance of the line; but the law age from railroads and left private individuals to giving this notice. Do you anticipate a state of passed, and for a time there was peace. Until the build them? Yet what have you seen? There things, when you will be required to give it? Are close of the last session of Congress, there was has never been built in the United States, nor in circumstances changed-changed favorably for the one universal acclaim of joy, satisfaction, and England, nor in France, nor in Germany, although contractors and unfavorably for the Government? | gratitude throughout the country, for the public the railroad discovery is forty years old, a railroad No, sir; the mails are carried with the stipulated l spirit with which Congress had sustained this that was not built by a monopolizing railroad comexpedition; the pride and honor of the country are great national enterprise. Prejudiceis raised against pany, aided sometimes, and in this country often, sustained; its service is completely performed, just this line on the ground of Mr. Vanderbilt's offer. | by the money of Government. The Erie canal, as it was required to be; the Government has no Sir, Congress required ships of a certain size and the most successful work of internal improvement calise of complaint, and anticipates none. magnitude, combining elegance, solidity, durabil- ever made, was not built by a private company, On the other hand the parties to whom it is con- ity, and swiftness, and Collins furnished them.

nor by a company with its own money. On the templated that the notice may, in some circum. They obtained by this contract just what was re- contrary, it may be doubted whether it would Btances, be given, have been unfortunate-unfor- 1 quired. The contractors have given just what was ever yet have been built had it not been adopted tunate by a calamity that has touched the chords proposed, and even more. Now Vanderbilt comes by New York, and constructed as a great national of the public heart most deeply, and which has so

“dispense with some of these require- 1) work. powerfully affected the mind of every individualments, and I will carry your mails by furnishing, The PRESIDING OFFICER, (Mr. FITZPATin the country that it is painful to speak of it, you with ships of my own on cheaper terms. RICK in the chair.) The question is on the cven in the most public manner on so great an Could you accept that proposition of Vanderbilt amendment of the Committee on Finance. occasion as this. One of those ships, freighted | justly, without, at the same time, taking the Col- Mr. GWIN stated that Mr. WELLER had with the lives of our fellow-citizens, has gone lins steamers and paying for them? and if you do 1 paired off with Mr. Jones, of Tennessee. down into the depths of the sea. You have a that, I wish to know what you will make by dis- Mr. BAYARD stated that he had paired off bond that it shall be replaced; you wish the place continuing your contract with Collins, and enter- with Mr. SLIDELL. of the ship supplied as it ought to be, and you ing into a new contract with Vanderbilt.

Mr. DAWSON stated that Mr. Bell had expect that it will be supplied under the contract. Again, it is said by some Senators, that this is paired off with Mr. Johnson. The contractor says, If I must supply the place of an extravagant, a luxurious line. Sir, this line this ship, for the short period which remains of of steamers is, in my judgment, the proper diplo- || Mr. CLAYTON.

Mr. EVANS stated that he had paired off with the contract, will you not release me from the matic representative of the United States to the

Mr. DODGE, of Wisconsin, stated that he had condition which authorizes you arbitrarily to give Old World. Who is there here that hesitated last || paired off with Mr. Hamlin. notice that you will discontinue the contract? It Saturday to give a salary of $17,000 a year to the The question being taken by yeas and naye, seems to me a fair appeal. Upon what grounds Minister at the Court of St. Jamesma salary with resulted-yeas 17, naye 19; as follows: is it presented and sustained ? Sir, it is sustained, which he might maintain himself in a style worthy

YEAS-Messrs. Adams, Brodbead, Butler, Chase, Dawand well sustained, upon this ground; that not- of the representative of this great Republic? Who

son, Fessenden, Fitzpatrick, Geyer, llanter, Mallory, Mawithstanding all the figures that have been arrayed ) is there that refused to give a salary of $15,000 to son, Morton, Pratt, Toombs, Toucey, Wade, and Wells here, this has been to the contractors an unprofit the American Minister sent to France, and of able contract, it is still an unprofitable contract. ! $12,000 to the Minister to Spain? Who is there

NAYS-Messse. Allen, Badger, Benjamin, Brainerd,

Cooper, Douglas, Foot, Gillette, Gwin, James, Pettit, Rusk, Their money has not been wasted, but it has that denies the justice of the appeal, that he who | Seward, Shields, Stuart, Sumner, Thomson of New Jerbeen spent with energy and fidelity, with zeal and represents his country abroad, in its diplomacy, sey, Walker, and Wright—19. self-sacrificing liberality in carrying out their con- shall maintain the dignity of his country there? So the amendment was not agreed to. tract with the Government. Although this is But, sir, this line of ships the strongest in the true, it is nevertheless the fact that their stock is world, and the swiftest in the world--this diplo

The PRESIDENT. The next amendment reprichow worth, never has been worth the par matic messenger traversing the ocean both ways, I ported from the Committee on Finance

is to amend price, and, if their contract continues there is no exchanges the salutations and the greetings of men

the clause "for transportation of the mails across probability it will ever be worth more than sixty and of nations in both hemispheres, while it opens

the Isthmus of Panama, $85,314," by striking out or seventy cents on the dollar. the way for the establishment of mutual commerce

“$85,314" and inserting " $120,000." The company who are to build another of these between the ports of our own land and all the

Mr. HUNTER, That is according to estimate. great steamships must do it with capital and with ports of the European continent. It is the pride of

The amendment was rejected. credit, either iheir own, or derived from some my heart that I can see that line sustained in its Mr. HUNTER. There are two other amend.

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330 CONG.... 20 Sess.

Mail Steamer Appropriation Bil-Debate.

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ments which are necessary, and which I will ex- Mr. DOUGLAS. From the statement made by that, if the additional compensation was granted, plain. The bill contains a clause for transporta- the Senator from Virginia, the chairman of the in the course of time the company would be retion of the mails from New York to New Orleans, Committee on Finance, I understand that the ten munerated for its losses within the time which Charleston, Savannah, Havana, and Chagres, and per cent. is to be reserved for the performance of would elapse before Congress would have the back, $261,000. The House deducted the ten per the contract, but that it has been usual heretofore power to give the notice that is, before the 31st centum in appropriating the amount. They have to appropriate it, and allow the Executive Depart- of December, 1854. Who moved the proviso, limnot appropriated enough; it ought to be $290,000. ment to reserve it. This time Congress reserves iting that contract to the 31st of December, 1854? I move an amendment accordingly.

it, so that it makes no difference to the proprietors It was the honorable Senator from Texas, (Mr. The amendment was rejected.

of the line whether it is appropriated or not. It Rusk,) who then, as now, was a decided advocate Mr. HUNTER. I will merely state, in regard

can make no difference to the Treasury nor to of this line. I say it was that honorable Senator

That being the case, why who moved this very proviso, limiting the contract to that mauer, that the amendment which I moved anybody concerned.

to the 31st of December, 1854. is necessary to make it accord with the estimate. | insist upon it? The Senate may do as they please with it.

Mr. HUNTER. Here, though, is an appropri- Mr. MASON. If the honorable Senator from Mr. CHASE. I submit the following amend- / ation which the Senate refused to put in, that does Ohio will permit me, I will move that the further

make a difference. ment to come in after the clause in regard to the

consideration of the subject be postponed until Collins steamers:

Mr. DOUGLAS. I am talking about this. to-morrow at twelve o'clock. I think, from some

Mr. HUNTER. The item of the appropria- || conversation with Senators who made a majority And provided further, that the proprietors of said line

tion for the transportation of the mails across the upon the late vote, that they are satisfied thal it of steamers shall consent to such modification of the existing contract as that the Postmaster General may advertise

Isthmus of Panama, $85,314, should, according will be expedient to adjourn. With the consent for, and accept, proposals for carrying the mails in suitable to the estimate, be $120,000. The Committee on of the Senator, I submit that motion, and on it I steamships of not less than two thousand tons burden, Finance have moved to raise the appropriation to ask for the yeas and nays. between the Onited States and Great Britain, from and

the estimate. That, too, the Senate refuses to do. The yeas and nays were ordered, and taken. after the 31st of December, 1857, when said contract shall cease to be obligatory; and the said Postmaster General,

Mr. DOUGLAS. Was it a part of the con- Pending the announcement of the result, Mr. in case said modification shall be agreed to, shall adver- tract to make the amount $120,000, or is it the WILSON said: When I voted on the proposition tise for such proposals, which shall be submitted to Con- estimate of the Department?

of the committee, I did so through a misapprehengress at the next session.

Mr. HUNTER. It was to meet the estimate of sion. I voted “no;" I intended to vole • aye." Mr. DAWSON. If the Senator from Ohio | the Department.

Mr. BRODHEAD. The Senator can move to will give way, I will make a motion to adjourn. Mr. DOUGLAS. But it is not necessary, ac

reconsider the vote. Several SENATORS. Oh, no. cording to the contract.

The PRESIDENT. Yes, sir; that is the only Mr. DAWSON. The attendance in the Senate Mr. HUNTER. · No, sir.

way to proceed. is very thin. Thirty-six Senators only voted Mr. ADAMS. It is said by the Senator from Mr. MASON. I suppose the Senator can be upon the question on which the yeas and nays Illinois that it is not necessary to add that ten per allowed to change his vote by unanimous conhave been laken, and the amendment thrown out. cent., so far as the line alluded to by him is con- sent? We ought to have a fuller Senate to decide the cerned; but it is deemed by the Senaie and House The PRESIDENT. No, sir; the rule is im. question. I therefore move the postponement of of Representatives to be necessary to add that perative on that point. The Senator can move a iis further consideration until twelve o'clock to- very ten per cent. to the Collins line appropriation reconsideration of the vote. morrow, in order that we may have a full Senate, whenever it is concerned. Now, sir, I should The result of the vote on the motion to postpone and that it may be decided upon a full vote. Every like to know why the ten per cent. is added to the was then announced-yeas 21, nays 18; as folman knows that it is due to the country that that appropriation upon the Collins line and not upon

lows: should be the case. the other lines?

YEAS-Messrs. Adams, Allen, Benjamin, Bright, BrodThe PRESIDENT. Does the Senator from Mr. BUTLER. If my friend will allow me, I head, Chase, Cooper, Dawson, Fitzpatrick, Geyer, hunter, Ohio yield the floor for that purpose? will tell him. The reason is, that the Collins line,

Mallory, Mason, Morton, Pearer, Pratt, Shields, Sumner, Mri CHASE. Yes, sir.

Toombs, Toucey, and Wells-21. like Aaron's rod, swallows up all the others. NAYS--Messrs. Badger, Bayard, Brajnerd. Douglas, Pes. Mr. HUNTER. If we adjourn in this condi- ! (Laughter.]

senden, Foot, Gillette, Gwin, James, Pettit, Rusk, Seward, tion, the whole subject will be open to discussion The question being taken by yeas and nays on Stuart, Thomson of New Jersey, Wade, Walker, Wilson, to-morrow, and we shall spend another day upon the motion to postpone, resulted-yeas 19, nays

and Wright-18. it. We have the civil and diplomatic appropria- | 21; as follows:

So the motion was agreed to. tion bill, the Navy appropriation bill, and the YEAS-Messrs. Adams, Brodhead, Butler, Chase, Coop- Mr. STUART. I move that

the Senate adjourn. fortification bill all to come up within the last four er, Dawson, Evans, Fitzpatrick, Geyer, Mallory, Mason, The PRESIDENT. The Senator from Masdays of the session. I hope we shall not adjourn.

Morton, Pratt, Shields, Sumner, Toombs, Toucey, Wells,
and Wilson--19.

sachusetts can now make his motion. The PRESIDENT. T'he question is on post- NAY8-Messrs. Allen, Badger, Bayard, Benjamin, Mr. STUART. He can do that to-morrow poning the further consideration of the bill until Brainerd, Douglas, Fessenden, Foot, Gillette, Gwin, Hun- just as well as to-night. iwelve o'clock to-morrow, and making it the ter, James, Pearce, Peulit, Rusk, Seward, Stuart, Thomspecial order for that hour. son of New Jersey, Wade, Walker, and Wright-21.

The motion was agreed to; and the Senate

adjourned. Mr. DAWSON called for the yeas and nays,

So the motion was not agreed to. and they were ordered.

Mr. CHASE. I feel it to be my duty to state Mr. MASON. I wish to put a question to my

WEDNESDAY, February 28, 1855. briefly the considerations which will control my colleague, the chairman of the Committee on Fi. vote. I have no feeling whatever against this line.

The Senate, as in Committee of the Whole, nance, to see if I understand correctly what he has On the contrary, I desire its prosperity; but, sir,

resumed the consideration of the bill; the pending proposed. I understood him to say that on one I think that my first duty is to the State which I question being on the amendment submitted by of ihese lines, but not the Collins line, from some represent, and to the Government which I assist, Mr Chase, to add the following: cause there was appropriated by the House ten in part, to administer.

Provider further, That the proprietors of said line of per cent. less than the estimate. I want to know In 1847, Mr. Collins and his associates came to

steamers shall consent to such inodification of the existing

contract as that the Postmaster General may advertise and from him whether that ten per cent. less than the Congress proposing to transport the mails of the accept proposals for carrying the mails in suitable steam. estimate is necessary to be added to bring the price United States from New York to Liverpool and ships of not less than two thousand tons burden between up to the contract. return, for the sum of $385,000 per annum. That

the United States and Great Britain, from and after the 31st Mr. HUNTER. That ten per cent. is neces

of Deceinber, 1857, when said contract shall crase 10 be was the price. They proposed io transport those

obligatory; and the said Postmaster General, in case said sary to be added to bring the price up to the con- mails in five steamships. . That was the mode. modification shall be agreed to, shall advertise for such protract price. It is also, perhaps, fair to state, in The steamships were to be constructed so as to posals, which shall be submitted to Congress at the next order that my colleague may understand it fully, be adapted for the purposes of war as well as of that the ten per cent. on the appropriation has navigation. They were to make twenty trips in Mr. CHASE. When I gave way for the mobeen reserved in the Treasury, in order to be for- the course of the year. The service commenced tion to postpone last night, I was endeavoring to feited in case of a non-observance of the contract, in April or June, 1830. After it had continued explain the grounds which induced me to offer this although it has been usual,

heretofore, to appro- two years, application was made to Congress for amendment. I shall now conclude, very briefly, priate ihe entire amount. The House, by some an increase of compensation, and Congress granted | what I have to say. mistake, appropriated the entire amount in regard that increase, so as to make the total annual com- One of the arguments which was urged in favor to the Collins line, but made a deduction of ten per pensation $858,000, more than doubling the ori- of giving up the power of Congress to terminate this cent, in regard to the other lines. I propose to ginal amount; while, in the mean time, only four extra allowance, is that the additional compensarestore that to the estimate.

out of the five steamships had been constructed; | tion allowed by the act of 1852 was designed to in. Mr. MASON. Then the case appears to be and it is now said thai the company has been crease permanently the total payment for the mail this: that the Collins line has, by the House, been released from the construction of the fifth vessel. service of the Collins line. I showed, when I last allowed the great advantage of having this notice It thus appears that for the original service, with addressed the Senate, that the honorable Senator to terminate the contract withdrawn from the the addition of only six trips per annum, with from Texas, (Mr. Rusk,) who was a friend of . contract, and to be no longer a part of it, but the reduction of one steamship, we have increased this line at that time, and who is now a friend of another line has not within ten per cent. of the the compensation more than twice its original || it, urging its claims with his accustomed zeal and amount of its contract price appropriated; and the amount.

ability, proposed the proviso reserving to ConSenale refuse now to add that ien per cent. I I remember well upon what arguments the in- | gress the power to give this notice. I should say, really think that in that state of things it is best crease was urged during the session of 1852. We perhaps, in fairness and justice to that honorable for us to udope the suggestion of the Senator from were told, then, that the contract had been a losing Senator, that he did not originate the proviso, bat Georgia, and to adjourn until to.morrow morning, one; that the company had not been able to com- that he proposed it as a substitute for a proposition to see whether injustice will not be done by this plete their vessels and transport the mails for the which emanated from the honorable Senator from proceeding.

sum stipulated; and it was said at the same time || North Carolina.

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Mr. RUSK. With the permission of the hon- | that by the 31st of December, 1854, the line would the revenue now derived? The statement which orable Senator I will make an explanation of this be indemnified for its losses, and that nobody con- he has read relates to 1853-'4. matter. I have not examined the records on that tended that $858,000 a year was to be a permanent Mr. CHASE. I do not; but judging from the point, but I remember the facts very distinctly. | rate of compensation for transporting these mails. natural increase of business, it must be something The proposition came from some quarter to give What, then, becomes of the principal argument more now than it was six or eight months ago. this additional allowance. I did not make that which has been addressed to the Senate during the Docs the Senator know? If he does, I should be proposition, nor do I remember by whom it was discussions upon this subject? That argument is Irappy to hear from him. I take this statement made. But there was a proposition to amend the that the rate of 1852 was intended as a permanent from the official report. I do not know how else bill by giving this additional allowance, limited to compensation, not to be withdrawn unless for to look for correct information. the 31st day of December, 1854. In that shape good cause, such as non-performance or malper- Let ine repeat the statement, with an addition: that allowance would have terminated on that day, ll formance by the proprietors of their duties under Net revenue to Post Office Department, with United States unless there had been action by Congress to con- the contract. When that allowance was made, inland postage included.

$208,670 89

Deduct United States inland on British mails tinue it. Every one remembers the stormy debate, it was made upon no such consideration as that.

five twenty-fourts of $265,407 75....... 55,293 28 like that which has arisen at this time, which It was made upon the consideration that they had occurred upon that amendment. I then offered sustained a loss; and that for a time it was neces. Total net revenue to the Post Office Departthe proviso that Congress should give the notice, sary to grant the additional compensation in order ment, without United Siates inland.... $153.377 61 putting the onus upon Congress to originate the to indemnify them for that loss; and the power of notice. terminating the extra allowance was reserved to

So the total net revenue for the last fiscal year The Senator from Ohio does me injustice in Congress, not for the purpose of guarding against is $ 208,670 89. But it seems a deduction is to saying that I have supported this measure from the the violation of the contract, but in order that be made even from that sum, of which, however, beginning. My object was, therefore, to make it | Congress might exercise a fair discretion in con- I will say nothing at present. permanent. Not being able to do that, in conse- tinuing or discontinuing the additional compensa

I cannot tell at what rate the receipts come in quence of the amendment which was offered, 1. tion as the general public interest might require. now. But, admit that it is at the rate of $250.000, desired then to put the onus upon Congress, if Another argument has been urged. We have what then? We are paying $858,000 for $250,000 they saw proper, at the end of that time, to reduce been told that the advantages of this line to the per year. The Senator says this service 19 now the additional allowance. My opinion was, that commerce of the country are cheaply paid for by upon the eve of paying for itself. These docuwhen the 31st of December arrived, this line of the full sum of $858,000 per annum. The honor

ments show that the reverse is true. Here is an. steamers, about which so much had been said, able Senator from Michigan (Mr. STUART) sup. other example of the loose statements which are which had been so fruitful a theme for speeches, poses that it saves $10,000,000 a year in interest made here for the purpose of inducing the Senate would remunerate the Government; and I will upon remittances. "How is that? What are the lo consent to the withdrawal of the whole control show the honorable Senator hereafter--for I do elements of that calculation? First, the Senator of Congress over the contract. not wish to interrupt him now—that we are on the says that the greater speed of the Collins steamers

Mr. RUSK. 1 dislike to interrupt the Senator, point of being fully reimbursed for every dollar of as compared with those of the Cunard line, amounts but I presume it would be just as well for him to outlay in this service. to one hundred and four days a year; that these

have the information now. Mr. CHASE. The fact remains as I stated. remittances amount to $500,000,000; that the The PRESIDENT. Does the Senator from The proposition was then made, and nothing interest for the one hundred and four days is Ohio yield the floor? whatever was said at that time upon the subject of $10,000,000; and consequently that that amount Mr. CHASE. Yes, sir. making this provision permanent-nothing what- is saved to the country. The argument assumes

Mr. RUSK. I desire to make a very brief stateever. The Senator from Tennessee, (Mr. Bell,] first, that these remittances are made in cash, when ment to the Senate. I have inquired into this as he will remeniber, desired that the power of they are in fact for the most part made in bills; matter. I am glad that I have had some informaCongress to give the notice should accrue at an second, that the money remittances would be ac- tion communicated to me by the Assistant Postearlier period than the 31st of December, 1854-as tively employed during the time of transit; third, master General, this morning, which comes very early as the 30th of June. The distinguished that all remittances are made by the Collins line. near making me a true prophet. I find by that Senator from Michigan (Mr. Cass) wished that Besides these errors of assumption, there is also a

statement that the total revenue derived from the Congress should have the power to terminate the grievous error in calculation. Anybody who will mails received by the steamer Pacific on the 30th contract still earlier-as early as January, 1854; take the trouble to make the computation of the of December, 1854, was $13,391 15. The total but by some sort of general understanding, it was annual saving in time on the twenty-six trips, ac

amount of revenue on the mails sent by the steamer finally concluded that Congress should have power cording to the authority on which the Senator Pacificon the 27th December, 1854, was $18,500 24. to terminate it on the 31st of December. That was relies, will see that it is only forty-nine days and Taking that calculatior, then it comes to this: we the final decision of the Senate.

a fraction-say fifty days in all. Taking the other have paid out $33,391 27 for that trip. We have Now, what inducements were held out to Con element of the Senator's estimate as correct, received back $31,891 51, showing a loss to the gress. It is said that this was to be a permanent ! $500,000,000 of remittances, and actual loss of Government on that trip of $1,108 49. arrangement. I hold in my hand the Globe, con- interest for the whole time, the saving by increased

Mr. HUNTER rose. taining the report of the discussion which arose speed, instead of $10,000,000, would only be Mr. RUSK. I will give it all fairly. The honuport this subject. The Senator from. Tennessee $4,000,000.

orable Senator from Virginia need not be in the expressed his views upon it. He said he desired I do not go into this for the purpose of calling least uneasy. I do not think I ever have intentionthat this power of Congress should accrue as early in question the utility of swift conveyance, or or aliy misrepresented any information which I had as the 30ih of June, and, on offering an amendment || disparaging, in any way, this line; but to show in my possession. I do not intend, certainly, to do to that effect, remarked:

what loose and careless statements are advanced it at this time. I know where the shoe pinches. “In the second place, it reduces the time six months, for here in the Senate, and put forth to the country as

By the Atlantic, then, on the 1st of January, which this bill makes the allowance; which time I, and arguments fit to determine our decision upon this 1855, there was received $12,064 57. By i he same several other gentlemen, think is long errough to give this question. Sir, commercial exchanges would go ship, on the 10ih January, there were sent mails line tinis increased allowance of $33,000 per trip. We think

on if the Collins line had no existence. Through which yielded a revenue of $16,305 77. Counting that in that time they will have received sufficient to cover the loss which they have sustained in being the pioneers in the competition of private enterprise, in my judg- that up, we paid for the round irip $33,000, and establishing an American trans-Atlantic line of steamers, ment, the business of the country would be as we received back $23,310 34, so that there was a having to run it at first, no doubt, at great loss—perhaps, as great, if not greater-as cheap, certainly, and in || loss to the Government on that trip

of $2,639 34. they say, of as much as $16,000 or $17,000 per trip.”

my judgment, much cheaper facilities than those I know that the Postmaster General, in the The Senator from Texas, commenting upon which this line supplies.

statement of the net revenue which the honorable what fell from the Senator from Tennessee, and Another argument in favor of making the in- Senator has just mentioned, makes a deduction his amendment at that time, said: creased compensation of 1852 permanent, is derived

from this amount; and I will state that: “deduct “I should have no difficulty in agreeing to the amendment,

from the
alleged receipts from the postages earned

British and United States inland poslage, eight because I believe that at the expiration of the proposed by it. The Senator from Michigan said that al- || twenty fourths, $3,392 56, and commissions to Imitation, the proceeds of running ibis line of steainers will

ready the receipts from postages were nearly equal postmasters, $2,731 31." Let us see whether this be sufficienty remuuerative; and that the proprietors”

to the payment by the Government; and he ought to be deducted or not; and the honorable I ask the attention of Senators to this

seemed 'confidently to anticipate that the line Senator, as soon as I state the case, will see that and that the proprietors will not desire to have the in- would soon return in postages the annual amount

it is an improper deduction. By the postal treaty crease of compensation extended to them beyond that time; paid to it. The Senator from Tennessee (Mr. | which we have with Great Britain-I hope I am but here is the difficulty.” Jones) has already exposed this assumption: so

not trespassing on the time of the Senate in making The Senator went on to explain his objections has also the Senator from Georgia, (Mr. Toomes.)

other statements, which, perhaps, do not directly to the amendment of the Senator from Tennessee; Reimbursement by postages! I shall not restate

come in here there were five cents added to every but it is not necessary to read further.

the arguments of the Senators from Georgia and | letter, in order to cover our inland postage. There Thus it is clear that the idea held out at that | Tennessee; but I ask attention to the statement were three cents added to every letter carried to time by the friends of the line, was, before notice of the Postmaster General, which I hold in my | England in order to cover the English inland postcould be given under the proviso, the proceeds of hand. These are the words:

age; and, by the way, that provision of the treaty the running of the line would be sufficiently remu- « Revenue to the United States, and also to the United was made, because the Government had really nerative to cover the losses which had been sus. States Post Office Department, per Collins line, for the passed the law to establish this Collins line. Bé. tained by the proprietors; and then that the fiscal year ended June 30, 1854.""

fore, they were charging forty-eight centa, instead increased allowance might be discontinued. I do

Observe it is a statement of the revenue derived of the twenty-four cents which they now charge not say that some Senators had not the idea of all from the Collins line. Now what was it?

upon each letter. The British steamers, which were permanent provision being made for the line; it is “Nct revenue to Post Oflice Department, with United then running without any American live in oppoquite pogsible ibat they had; but I say that the States inland postage included, $203,670 89.”

sition, were charging forty-eight cents on each inducement held out to the Senate at that time was Mr. RUSK. Does the Senator know what is // letter, and the British post office was pockeling

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the difference, which made it just double. These Senator from Texas now undertakes to show that honor, and justice required me to pursue. This letters are now charged twenty-four cents. If they this service remunerates the United States within is enough, therefore, to show that I feel no senti. were held at the old British postage, the figures

a small sum He gives a statement in regard to ment of hostility towards this company. would be just double. Three fourths of the letters two trips; but, sir, all calculations founded on a Now, sir, what is the proposition that I have which came by these mails were delivered in the trip here, or a trip there, must, of necessity, be submitted to the Senate? 'All I have said is incity of New York, I have no doubt, and there is illusory. I observed one point, in which, it seems

tended to illustrate the fairness of it? I propose no expense incurred in the inland postage. Is it, to me, the honorable Senator failed in giving a simply that the Senate, since it has determined to therefore, right to deduct that? Tapprehend that full explanation, even of those trips. He did not relinquish the control of the notice over this lipe, it is not right to deduct that item. It is an advant- deduct the British share of the postages, which is shall require some concession from the contractors age which we get to be sure, on the inland post- a very important item; but he stated it as if the corresponding to the benefit which they are to age, but it is an advantage to the Government whole postage receipts of the Collins line went receive. I propose, since the Senate has determthat five cents are paid on letters which are to be into the Treasury of the United States.

ined to concur in the proposition of the House, delivered in New York without expense to the Mr. RUSK. The honorable Senator is grossly and surrender the power to give notice, to require Government in transporting them inland at all. mistaken. I deducted the British postages, and of the contractors a consent in some limitation in Then, as to the commissions of the postmasters; so stated it. Here is the statement of the Assistant point of time. The contract was originally for it is only necessary to state that they have been Postmaster General, deducting the United States $385,000. In 1852, the sum of $473,000 was added deducted from the Collins line, though they ought and British inland postages-eight twenty-fourths. as temporary compensation. They have now had to come out of the revenue of the United States. The Senator says I did not deduct the British post- the benefit of that for three years. From 1852 up There is no obligation in the contract to pay the ages. The statement does deduct them. I stated as to 1855, they have had the benefit of this more commissions of postmasters.

distinctly as words could state, that in the postal than duplication of the original contract compenThe Assistant Postmaster General, when he treaty, five cents were added to every letter for sation. Give them that double compensation for handed me these statements, said there was noth- the United States inland, and three for the British one year or two years longer, if it is necessary; ing in them but what he knew to be correct. There inland; and in the statement there is deducted five but then, after that, recur to the ordinary policy might possibly be some mails that were not in- twenty-fourths for the American and three twen- of the Government, and place this line, as well as cluded. There is the nearness with which this ty-fourths for the British, making eight twenty- | every other line, as you reach it, under the concomes to my prediction, that the line would soon fourths altogether.

trol of the Post Office Department. Let the Postrepay us.

Mr. CHASE. That may be so.

I have not master General advertise for contracts. Let those Mr. HUNTER. The Senator from Texas seen the statement which the Senator quotes. But contracts be reported to Congress, with a view to has shown one side of the account; but I do not I was about to say that taking the statement just such general legislation as may be adopted, as will think he states the other correctly. I hold in my as made by the Senator from Texas, it gives only regulate the discretion of the Postmaster General hand an estimate of three trips, one by the At- the result of two trips; while, on the authority of in making permanent arrangements. Is there lantic, another by the Baltic, and a third by the the Post Office Department, 1 give the resulí of anything unjust in that? It gives the additional Pacific. That estimate is furnished by the Post the whole year. Which is the more reliable? The compensation. It gives it without the power to Office Department, and according to it, the net statement of two trips, which may have been more withdraw it. "It gives it for two years. We were revenue for one trip was $9,420, from the second, than usually remunerative and profitable, or the assured that they would be remunerated in 1854, $5,120, and from the third, $6,263, making some- statement of the Department, extending through a but this still gives the additional compensation (wo ihing like $21,000 net from the three trips. whole year? I hold in my hand a statement of years longer-up to 1857. It insures to these Mr. RUSK. What were the dates ?

the Postmaster General, showing the gross receipts contractors about $1,000,000 over what was conMr. HUNTER. The Atlantic sent the 10th during the whole time of the contract thus far. 'It | templated by the act of 1852. It only requires January, 1855, the Baltic received the 11th Jan- commences on the 27th of April, 1850, and runs consent on their part that the contract shall then uary, 1855, and the Pacific received 5th January, up to June 30, 1854. Now, how much do you be put upon the footing of all other mail contracts. 1855.

think were the gross receipts? Why, $1,000,000, What then will be the condition of the proprietors Now, observe that this is the most favorable and a little fraction over. How much were the of this line? Better, certainly, than that of any. statement which can be made for the line; and net receipts to the General Government? Why, l body else in relation to this service. They can how the Senator can say that we ought not to de- | $900,000, and a fraction over. Call it $1,000,000, come in with their propositions. They will have duct the inland postage, I cannot imagine; because and what then has been the average gross income their ships. They will have their experience. the Government has to bear all the expense of from this service, for which we pay the enormous They will have their skilled and practiced officers. conveying these letters and of conveying the closed sum of $858,000, near $1,000,000? Less than They can compete with great advantage for the mails to the British Province of Canada. Surely $250,000 a year? According to the statement of contract for this service. Ought they not to be we ought to deducawhat it costs from the receipts | the Postmaster General less than that was received required to consent to this? Having all these of the line. It costs us this much to carry them. last year. It may be more hereafter. I hope it advantages, can they not offer better terms to the We charge five cents, I think it is, on the inland will; I believe it will; but then it cannot reach a Government than other persons? If they do, will postage; surely it costs us that amount. Nor is sum which will justify the anticipation of remuner- they not get the contract for an additional term? it unfair to charge the revenue account of the Col. lative receipts, which is entertained by the Sen- It seems to me nothing can be more fair, nothing lins line with its proportion of the expenses in col- ator from Texas. Certainly there is nothing in clearer than this. lecting the post office revenue, and that is done in the present circumstances or future prospects of We have been told about the necessity of having this statement, so that it will be found, I think, receipts from this line which will warrant the these lines. Sir, you will have steam lines whether even if we take the most favorable view, that the continuance of the extra compensation, against the patronage of the Government be extended to receipts of the line are very far behind the sum the understanding of 1852, which, as I have shown, them or not. American energy, American enternecessary to compensate for what is paid by the contemplated the discontinuance of that compen- || prise, and American skill, with the impulse which United States.

sation, at least, as soon as the Collins associates ihey have already received from the past patron. Mr. RUSK. I do not think the honorable Sen-had been indemnified for their losses. It was sup- age of the Government, can defy the world. I ator intended to produce a wrong impression, but | posed and stated that this indemnity would be have not the slightest fear but that we shall be able he has not put down the receipts of the round realized by the 31st of December, 1854. But now to compete on the ocean, as we compete on the voyage. The Collins line receive $33,000 for the what are we asked to do? To appropriate this land, with any nation on the face of the earth. out and incoming voyage, or the round trip., The additional sum for the current year?' No; nobody Let the energies of the people be unrestricted and Senator's statement only includes the postages for objects to that. The notice has not been given, unconfined; give no extraordinary patronage to one Mr. HUNTER. That is the gross sum.

and the $850,000 must be paid for this year. particular ports or to particular lines, and, my

If What then? To surrender absolutely all right to word for it, you will have a competition which will it was $7,000 one trip, it would be only $14,000 give the notice in future; to exempt these contract- more than make good all the promises made in for the gross sum, and twenty-six times $14,000 ors absolutely from all liability to the discon- behalf of this line. Let us have competition. That is very far short of $858,000.

tinuance of the $50,000 additional compensation, li is said to be the life of trade. That is the best Mr. RUSK. I think the honorable Senator which was originally intended to be temporary; security of the Government against imposition by will not insist upon that. The $33,000 are paid to leave them to act as they see fit in every respect, favorites and particular contractors. I have no for the trip out and back, and the honorable Sen-speed as well as others, within the terms of their fears whatever but that the wants of the commaator from Virginia, lo get at a loss, only counts original contract. Thai, sir, is the proposition. nity will be met; that the postages will be cheapup what is made by the trip one way.

I have never shown any disposition to deal | ened, instead of being made dearer, and that pas. Mr. HUNTER.' I double that for the amount | unjustly or unfairly by this line. It will be remem- Bages upon the ocean will be as swift and as cheap of the round trip, and I repeat that twenty-six bered by Senators that, during the last session of as they are now. For one, sir, I do not want a times $14,000 falls very far short of $858,000. Congress, when it was proposed to give the notice splendid Governinent. I desire no excessive rev: The Senator from Texas takes the gross revenuo in advance of the 31st of December, 1854, I said enues. I am against this lavish expenditure with without making the proper deduction, and selects - what I felt to be just—that the line had a right both hands. I wish to see the national revenues a trip or two on which their receipts were the to the whole time up to the 31st of December to diminished. Limited revenue is the only guar. largest. He does not take the general average of show to the country the merits of its service, so antee. Economical expenditure, moderate rer. their receipts per trip, as he ought to do, to make that Congress might determine upon the whole enue, and light taxes will make a frugal Governthe calculation proper and sair. case up to that time, whether the notice should be

ment and a rich people; and if we adopt the Mr. CHASE. I yield with very great pleasure given or not. I voted with those who were against | amendment which I have had the honor to subto Senators for correction and explanation. I giving the notice at that time, because I thought || mit, it will be a step towards economy-not a great have no wish to make a speech. All I desire to simple justice required it. Although I was op- step, I admit, but still a step in the right direction. do is to explain the reasons which, in my judgment, posed to the original appropriation, I was not I trust it may be taken.

require me, in the discharge of my public duty, to willing, upon any consideration, to depart from Mr. BAYARD. I should not have taken any * -submit the proposition which I have made. The the line which, in my judgment, simple truth, "part in this discussion if, as I had hoped, it had

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