Mr. J. F. Martin. Did you ever hear her speak of her Husband by Name? I presume that till your Attention was directed to this Subject by the Advertisement, having little to care about it, you thought but little of it? I thought nothing of it. Have you had many Interviews with Mr. Tracy, the Claimant ? How many should you say? I cannot enumerate them; a good many. I presume that when you answered the Advertisement he told you the Nature of the Claim before you explained to him what you knew? I told him all I knew, and where I was born, and where I lived, and my Opportunities. In order to ascertain whether your Evidence would be useful to him did not he begin by explaining to you the Nature of his Claim, and who he was? He did not enter into the Claim; Mr. Bourdillon explained the Nature of his Claim. But the Claimant told you who his Great Grandmother was,, through whom he claimed? Mr. Bourdillon likewise has explained to you more in Detail the Nature of Mr. Tracy's Claim? Rather different from that; he asked me to recollect myself, and by Degrees I did. I presume that in doing his Duty as a Solicitor he pointed out to you the Points that would be important in the Case? He recalled my Recollection. First with respect to any Connexion between Mr. Tracy and the Judge's Family; did he ask you if you could say any thing upon that Subject? I did not hear any thing upon that Subject till the first Time I had the Honour of waiting upon the House. You never heard any thing about it? Not particularly; I did not understand it so as to be able to speak about it. You did not understand it sufficiently to be able to speak about it till you heard the Evidence given at this Bar? In respect of his English Connexion. I presume I presume from your Age and the long Interval that has elapsed the Mr. J. F. Martin. Circumstance of this Matter having been talked of has rather brushed up your Mind upon the Subject? No doubt of it. And your Recollection being faint in the first instance became revived after Conversations? Yes. Both with Mr. Tracy, the Claimant, and Mr. Bourdillon, and subsequently by hearing the Evidence here? Yes, certainly; and I had a better Opportunity of my own, for I had a Sister Five or Six Years older than me. And you talked to her about it? I did, and she refreshed my Memory. She brushed you up about it? Yes. Then are you able now to say what you distinctly recollect yourself, and what has been revived in your Mind by Conversation, and what you heard from your Sister? It brought to my Recollection the Facts I came here to verify. A good deal was obscure before you were refreshed by your Sister? Not having any Idea that I should be called upon to stand here it did not interest me, but the Circumstances recurred to me immediately, the Circumstances of seeing the old Lady and hearing her Remarks. You remember seeing the old Lady, and hearing her talk to your Mother? Yes. Then from Time to Time as you thought upon the Subject and talked about it the particular Circumstances all came again to your Mind? They did. And the more you have talked with other People the fresher you have been? Yes. The Witness was directed to withdraw. Then GEORGE NEWCOME Esquire was again called in, and further G. Newcome, Esq. examined as follows: (By a Lord.) You were acquainted with the Claimant's Father? 1 was. He was a Friend of yours? I was acquainted with him. What Situation of Life was he in? In humble Circumstances. How did he gain his Livelihood? Did he live upon his Means, or was he in any Business? Was he a Day Labourer? Indeed I cannot say. I did not know him as such. How did he earn his Livelihood? I imagine that he had a Piece of Land. (62.3.) 3 A A Quarter I do not know. I knew him as Mr. Tracy, without any Reference Was he an Associate of yours? Did he live in the same Line of Not at all. But you cannot state the Extent, whether it was a Quarter of an No. You would be sure that it was not Fifty Acres? Yes, I do not think it was. Had he any Servant? I am not aware. Did he keep a Horse? No. I was a very young Lad when I was first acquainted with him. (Mr. Serjeant Shee.) I asked you just now whether you were quite correct in saying that you had not seen this Stone in the Month of January 1844. Have you since referred to some Memorandum that you have kept? I stated before that I have left a Pocket Book at my Hotel. I have since found it, and I find an Entry here of an Inspection which I made of a Variety of Stones on the 25th of January 1844. Does it appear whether you examined this particular Stone upon that Occasion ? (By a Lord.) At whose Request did you make that Inspection ? The Solicitor ? Yes. In consequence of your being so requested you made a Memorandum of having inspected it? I attended with other Magistrates and we took Memorandums of what occurred. Sir Fitzroy Kelly stated, That for the Purpose of meeting any Objection which might be made to the Entry of the Date in the Prayer Book which had been produced on a former Day he purposed to show that previously to the Alteration of the Style it was usual during the first Three Months of the Year to date Letters and Memoranda as of the new Year as well as of the past Year, and that with that ་ that View he would offer in Evidence a Collection of Parliamentary Debates of the Years 1680 and 1681. After some Discussion Sir Fitzroy Kelly stated, That understanding that no Objection would be raised to the Entry upon this Ground he would not press this Evidence at present, but that he trusted that if this Point should be raised he should be allowed to have an Opportunity of giving Evidence upon it. Sir Fitzroy Kelly further stated, That the only remaining Evidence he should have to produce consisted of Two or Three Documents which he had not been able yet to procure, and that at the next Sitting of the Committee he should be prepared to lay before the Committee those additional Documents, and to sum up the Case on behalf of the Claimant. The Witnesses were directed to withdraw. The Counsel were directed to withdraw. Proposed to adjourn this Committee sine Die; Accordingly, Adjourned sine Die. 1 |